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The pimping industry is evolving.
by mt_ 4y ago
The pimping industry is evolving.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoWhich entity is the pimp?
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoA lot of cam/onlyfans/... girls (and guys) are "managed" by people (pimps) in the same way as prostitutes (and strippers) are, but now digitally instead of physically (or, in many cases, both). They lease a building, build "cubicles", make them look like bedrooms, throw in a bunch of girls/guys, who then do stuff there for their viewers, and managers (pimps) collect a part of the earned money. They have a schedule, have to meet quotas, etc. They also hire people to do their make-up, buy toys, manage their accounts, do accounting, price lists for "custom" photos/videos, and even dirty up the underwear that they then sell. Porn is a huge industry, solo actresses are just a very small part of that, even if onlyfans would like you to believe otherwise.
- CPLX 4y agoYou’ll be really mad when you hear about all the other businesses that lease buildings and build cubicles and have people come there to do work while skimming off most of the profits. It’s an epidemic.
- naoqj 4y agoThat's not pimping. For starters those girls aren't forced to do what they do. (Yeah, there probably is an overwhelming minority of cases where they are forced to show their tits. But let's not grasp at straws...)
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- naoqj 4y agoI understand that some onlyfans creators are being exploited, but the freedom of those who aren't exploited (which are a majority) shouldn't be restricted because of that.
- prepend 4y agoI think the difficulty is in knowing who is exploited and who is not.
- 0ldskool 4y agoDidn't you just describe all jobs in all countries? There are people who feel forced to do immoral or illegal things. For instance I was just reading about one server at a restaurant in USA. He accidentally dropped a steak on the floor but was told to wash it off and serve it to the customer anyways. The argument being the customer would get mad if his food came out later then the rest of his party. How many factory style jobs do people work not because they want to but because circumstances force them to? How many employers exploit their workers because its unlikely the workers will fight back?
- prepend 4y agoYou may have replied to the wrong person. I didn’t describe jobs in any countries. I don’t think comparing people working in factories to pimps and exploited sex workers (or perhaps pimps and fairly compensated sex workers). They are different things.
- collegeburner 4y agoBy this logic any job that offered a way to make money during covid could be called "preying on" people. Offering work when people need it is not predatory. I think there are a lot of consequences to this type of work that young women don't consider, not least that they will have a lot more trouble finding a husband (and maybe a job) in 8 years, but that doesn't by itself make the work predatory.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoI am under the impression that the distinction of a pimp is due to using violence, drugs, or other coercion on vulnerable subjects such as runaways, underage, or trafficked/kidnapped persons.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoYes, that's exactly what they do to (some) onlyfans creators. https://endsexualexploitation.org/onlyfans/ https://endsexualexploitation.org/onlyfans/
- ianhawes 4y agoThe linked article links to another article describing the CEO of OnlyFans as facing accusations of theft and fraud[0]. In reality, it appears the owner of OnlyFans also owns MyFreeCams, which is a massive cam platform. The actual complaints of theft and fraud are accusations of randomly frozen accounts. Companies like PayPal and even banks periodically freeze accounts, but the CEOs of their company are not targeted in a manner such as the linked article. Further, it is not uncommon to freeze accounts for suspected fraud. Cam platforms are ripe for money laundering with stolen credit cards. Thieves will steal a credit card and use it to pay a model on the platform that they’re working with. The model is paid weeks later and they’ve successfully laundered the money. It does not surprise me that some false positives happen, it’s a pretty tricky cat and mouse game. The article also mentioned requiring people to switch to a bank in Belize. It’s not surprising given that adult payments and adult companies are routinely targeted by puritanical US and International financial institutions. [0] https://forensicnews.net/onlyfans-faces-allegations-of-fraud-theft/ https://forensicnews.net/onlyfans-faces-allegations-of-fraud...
- stevenicr 4y agoSo those are types of pimping.. sometimes put into a broad category of 'guerilla pimping'. The main distinction of a pimp is someone who is willing to deal with all the bull shit of the business to help hoes - this was mainly protection from abusers and help with advertising, but also includes a ton of other help - rides, shelter, healthcare appts. 'pimping' became a pop slang term what, around the myspace time? and it's become synonymous with gaudy but cool glamour - 'those shoes are pimpin' - to also jest about 'control' - like "pimpin' these robots to get that paper (money)".. "you are being pimped by toptal". After some years of research I would say not just most (51%) - but more like 99% of 'pimps' want nothing to do with underage, kidnapped, forced/coerced type hoes. This is more of a stereotype that fits some groups' narratives who are often trying to get money to fight boogeymen. Not to say that there shouldn't be money / resources dedicated to destroying the 1% who would use violence to traffic - but I've noticed how easy it is to skew the recently changing narrative / perceptions, and mostly the news is promoting false stereotypes to gain clicks and clout at the expense of real help. This is not to say it's not completely different stats say, south of the border or Baltic or whatever.
- throwaway0a5e 4y agoAt what point does a manager stop being a pimp? Seems like everyone doing anything businessey that doesn't involve taking off their own clothes in anything even vaguely sex related gets called a pimp. Is a strip club GM a pimp? The whole "maintain and operate facility" thing sounds a lot like a strip club.
- pyuser583 4y agoI read an article by adult performer discussing her career and the “manger/pimp” distinction … Basically “managers” are a thing when you have a large number of employers who need to coordinate. Legit managers can look a lot like pimps. For example, they usually require employees “to be on time” and “always have a good attitude.” But if someone isn’t on time, than everyone else is waiting, and typically not getting paid. So failing to show up on time means your coworkers are paying for you to do your own thing. So there an element of “you know it when you see it.”
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- alm1 4y agoearlier in the thread someone provided a definition along the lines of: "a pimp is a manager who is allowed to use violence, drug addiction and other forms of non-consensual coercion."
- jrootabega 4y agoWhy not madam?
- ed25519FUUU 4y agoThe one taking 75% of the income.
- crate_barre 4y agoHow much of the profit do you get from your company? Pennies I’m sure, you are just okay with it because it’s more pennies than other penny makers, but you are not taking home close to the value add on your labor.
- lupire 4y agoYournargumt maybe applies to Uber drivers and factory workers. Tim Cook and team do not collect anywhere near 75% of the total income of Apple workers.
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- prepend 4y agoI don’t think it’s equally comparable because there’s typically lots of indirection between a worker and profit. I used to do tech consulting where I would be bodyshopped through a contracting firm and they would typically take 20-40%. I wouldn’t work for a firm that took 75%.