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An interesting language that’s worth a look https://vlang.io/ https://vlang.io/ https://github.com/vlang/awesome-v https://github.com/vlang/awesome-v

Rochus 5y ago
It is indeed very astonishing why many people here have such a negative attitude towards this language.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  Because author kinda twisted terms to make it seems he achieved the impossible. Felt like he did better than rust+ada+haskell, all without using memory and faster than an eyeblink.
  - amedvednikov 5y ago
    Can you elaborate? There was never a claim it doesn't use memory (although it does use a lot less memory than most compilers). The language is indeed fast, V compiles itself in 0.3 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvP6wmcl_Sc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvP6wmcl_Sc
    - agumonkey 5y ago
      Are you the V designer ? is V compiled to native code or transpiled to C (then an actual compiler will make the work to emit native) ?
  - Rochus 5y ago
    Maybe the author just likes to implement programming languages and sets high goals. All those who have experience with this know that it is a lot of work. Apparently, the author has been working on this for many years and has achieved a lot. I recently bought the Packt book; what is not clear to me at the moment is what are the specific innovations over the other already established languages. Thus, it would be helpful if on the main page of the language there was an essay on why the author thinks there is a need for a new language, and what the specific advantages are with respect to concrete features of the other languages.
    - amedvednikov 5y ago
      > what is not clear to me at the moment is what are the specific innovations over the other already established languages. I'll make it more clear on the website. There's already a comparison to Go, the language V is most similar to: https://vlang.io/compare#go https://vlang.io/compare#go Quite a lot of improvements. V is basically about having the performance of C, the ease of use of Python, the simplicity of Go.
      - Rochus 5y ago
        Thanks for the link; that's going in the direction I was looking for. So could one say that V is essentially the Go the author would have wanted, and the new language is justified by the "~20%" difference, and an independent development is necessary due to the slow pace at which Go is evolving? So that would be a similar motivation as Nim versus Python, or Oberon+ versus Oberon. The feature differences in list form are helpful; but the priorities and motivation for individual features would also be interesting; e.g. why is "variable shadowing" bad and why is the V approach better, and how can smaller runtime and binaries smaller by a factor of 100 be achieved with a feature set that is at least 80% the same as Go? Does this really have to do with the language definition, or rather with the implementation?
        amedvednikov 5y ago
        I created V because Go didn't work nicely with C for my project. So just that would be enough for me to use V. Variable shadowing makes code more bug prone and confusing. As for the size: V uses system's official API (libc), including networking. Go has their own libs that have to be statically linked in to the binary.
    - gus_massa 5y ago
      > sets high goals The problem is that in the initial releases the "high goals" were listed as "features" of the language, not as planed improvements of the initial implementation. So even now when I read a list like in the article, I'm not sure which are already implemented and which are just wishes, but after the initial bad impression I'm not bother to check.
- Tozen 5y ago
  There is a lot of competition among the newer programming languages. A lot of criticism and trolling is to disguise their invested interest and advocacy for their preferred language. That Vlang rose up so quickly and has done so well for itself in comparison to their language, is a cause of resentment and anger for some.
christophilus 5y ago
I took it for a spin recently and enjoyed the experience. The Postgres driver was woefully slow, compared to Golang (50 queries per second for a trivial query vs over 10k), which is the only reason my side project isn’t in V. It’s a great language, though. Looking forward to using it in the future.
- amedvednikov 5y ago
  Wow that shouldn't be the case! Can you link to the pg benchmark you did? We need to fix this asap.
  - christophilus 5y ago
    Sure. I’ll open an issue tomorrow when I’m back at that machine.
    - ylluminate 5y ago
      Thank you. The db drivers do need some love and are going to get it soon, but it's been a relatively lower priority considering other areas of focus by community members.

Rochus 5y ago

It is indeed very astonishing why many people here have such a negative attitude towards this language.

agumonkey 5y ago
Because author kinda twisted terms to make it seems he achieved the impossible. Felt like he did better than rust+ada+haskell, all without using memory and faster than an eyeblink.
- amedvednikov 5y ago
  Can you elaborate? There was never a claim it doesn't use memory (although it does use a lot less memory than most compilers). The language is indeed fast, V compiles itself in 0.3 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvP6wmcl_Sc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvP6wmcl_Sc
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    Are you the V designer ? is V compiled to native code or transpiled to C (then an actual compiler will make the work to emit native) ?
- Rochus 5y ago
  Maybe the author just likes to implement programming languages and sets high goals. All those who have experience with this know that it is a lot of work. Apparently, the author has been working on this for many years and has achieved a lot. I recently bought the Packt book; what is not clear to me at the moment is what are the specific innovations over the other already established languages. Thus, it would be helpful if on the main page of the language there was an essay on why the author thinks there is a need for a new language, and what the specific advantages are with respect to concrete features of the other languages.
  - amedvednikov 5y ago
    > what is not clear to me at the moment is what are the specific innovations over the other already established languages. I'll make it more clear on the website. There's already a comparison to Go, the language V is most similar to: https://vlang.io/compare#go https://vlang.io/compare#go Quite a lot of improvements. V is basically about having the performance of C, the ease of use of Python, the simplicity of Go.
    - Rochus 5y ago
      Thanks for the link; that's going in the direction I was looking for. So could one say that V is essentially the Go the author would have wanted, and the new language is justified by the "~20%" difference, and an independent development is necessary due to the slow pace at which Go is evolving? So that would be a similar motivation as Nim versus Python, or Oberon+ versus Oberon. The feature differences in list form are helpful; but the priorities and motivation for individual features would also be interesting; e.g. why is "variable shadowing" bad and why is the V approach better, and how can smaller runtime and binaries smaller by a factor of 100 be achieved with a feature set that is at least 80% the same as Go? Does this really have to do with the language definition, or rather with the implementation?
      - amedvednikov 5y ago
        I created V because Go didn't work nicely with C for my project. So just that would be enough for me to use V. Variable shadowing makes code more bug prone and confusing. As for the size: V uses system's official API (libc), including networking. Go has their own libs that have to be statically linked in to the binary.
  - gus_massa 5y ago
    > sets high goals The problem is that in the initial releases the "high goals" were listed as "features" of the language, not as planed improvements of the initial implementation. So even now when I read a list like in the article, I'm not sure which are already implemented and which are just wishes, but after the initial bad impression I'm not bother to check.
Tozen 5y ago
There is a lot of competition among the newer programming languages. A lot of criticism and trolling is to disguise their invested interest and advocacy for their preferred language. That Vlang rose up so quickly and has done so well for itself in comparison to their language, is a cause of resentment and anger for some.

christophilus 5y ago

I took it for a spin recently and enjoyed the experience. The Postgres driver was woefully slow, compared to Golang (50 queries per second for a trivial query vs over 10k), which is the only reason my side project isn’t in V. It’s a great language, though. Looking forward to using it in the future.

amedvednikov 5y ago
Wow that shouldn't be the case! Can you link to the pg benchmark you did? We need to fix this asap.
- christophilus 5y ago
  Sure. I’ll open an issue tomorrow when I’m back at that machine.
  - ylluminate 5y ago
    Thank you. The db drivers do need some love and are going to get it soon, but it's been a relatively lower priority considering other areas of focus by community members.