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On one hand, I kinda stand by being against flash, but on the other hand, we aren't really at a better place today than when Flash was all over the place.
by wodenokoto 5y ago
On one hand, I kinda stand by being against flash, but on the other hand, we aren't really at a better place today than when Flash was all over the place.
- m12k 5y agoI just wish someone had made a good Flash/ActionScript3 -> JS+HTML-Canvas compiler. There's no reason we couldn't have kept the authoring tools just because we got rid of runtime and all its security issues.
- samwillis 5y agoWe now have Ruffle which does more or less what Adobe should have done 10 years ago. https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle https://github.com/ruffle-rs/ruffle If Adobe had seen their ban from the iPhone as a challenge to make Flash player capable of running without a plug-in they would dominate so many areas today. Flex would have become a viable platform to develop web apps/PWAs with - effectively sitting in the same position as what Flutter is doing today (Although I don’t believe Flutter is a one size fits all universal toolkit). I suppose they tried with PhoneGap but without Flash/Flex, which was their super power, they just didn’t have enough value proposition. I suspect they saw the desktop install base of Flash Player as too important to risk loosing by marking it redundant - innovator's dilemma. For some reason they just excepted defeat with Flash.
- smaudet 5y agoWhat about authoring tools? Part of what made flash popular was the photoshop effect.
- spicybright 5y agoRuffle is pretty bad what what I've seen so far. It's not there yet.
- Yoric 5y agoMozilla actually had a really impressive one about 5 years ago... but it was shutdown by Adobe lawyers.
- JoeyJoJoJr 5y agoThe runtime has too much baggage, and Adobe is it’s own worst enemy to keep AnimateCc alive. Instead I would prefer someone rebuild a subset of the authoring tool that sufficiently captures the essence of Flash, with multi-platform targets (including WebGL). I say rebuild Macromedia Flash 5, but with a JavaScript coding environment, and you would have a successful product.
- tshaddox 5y agoPerhaps I’m remembering things incorrectly, but wasn’t Flash the source of a large number of drive-by malware installs, which are much rarer today with modern browsers?
- pell 5y agoThe runtime was definitely a consistent security problem. But the games, animations, etc. people made with Flash did really enrich the internet, I’d say. And Adobe Flash was a powerful tool with a relatively easy entry point for beginners and non-programmers.
- pjmlp 5y agoNowadays they will install a WebAssembly module or use your GPU instead.
- wonderbore 5y agoWe definitely are. Flash websites were super common at all levels; Now you rarely get the over-the-top website with zero accessibility, they’re more expensive. I’m not counting ad tech and the various user-hostile websites because they’d have happened in Flash too (rather, Flash ads were already a thing too)
- chrisco255 5y agoI think the over-the-top interactive sites died off partially because of that but also because it really is a terrible experience in mobile. And mobile web became so important.