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The Vikings also captured and sold people into slavery, Dublin was a slave trading post setup by the Vikings. Also captured Slavic peoples from Europe from whi

The Vikings also captured and sold people into slavery, Dublin was a slave trading post setup by the Vikings. Also captured Slavic peoples from Europe from which the term slave comes. Christianity stopped slavery.

hef19898 5y ago
Considering that it was Christian nations that enslaved more people in recent history, and the longest, you might want to rethink your last sentence. And you might read up on serfdom, a hallmark in European feudalism.
- livinginfear 5y ago
  [citation needed] This is total nonsense. In modern times it's Christian, largely European nations where slavery has not flourished. Check the data for yourself. Slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world. In many cultures it's hardly even controversial. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17... https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/ https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  Serfdom, which survived until the 18th century where I live, is rather different from chattel slavery. Serfs were tied to land, not to their masters. (It reminds you of the internal passport system of the USSR.) They therefore had local culture, uninterrupted traditions going back centuries, and families could not simply be torn apart by selling someone away. "Breeding" serfs for profit wasn't a thing either; everybody who was born in a certain village had to be sustained there. Young serfs could be recruited into the army and gain social status. And as a noble, you couldn't just import more serfs from abroad for money. You had to make do with what you had, which meant at least somewhat better treatment. What serfdom has in common with slavery is the fact that industrialization killed off both of them. Industry required a large and moveable work force. I am not insinuating that being a serf was enjoyable, but if I had to choose between serfdom and slavery, that would be no contest.
- peter_retief 5y ago
  Read what I said in context, the vikings stopped trading in slaves after converting to Christianity https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/power-and-aristocracy/slaves-and-thralls/ https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistori... I also very much doubt your statement that Christian nations enslaved for the longest period and more people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slave... Slavery was banned because it was declared as being against the laws of god and many of the early anti slavery activists were deeply religious. I am not a christian but am offended by the bigoted tone some people take with Christianity
  - hef19898 5y ago
    Let's just exclude the ancient Romans anf Greeks, shall we? In modern history it was Christian nations and colonial empires that enslaved until the 19th century. Christianity did nothong in stoping that, and Viking culture in general changed dramatically once they were converted to Christianity, slavery was just one aspect of that. Serfdom is, of course, different from slavery. Thr main difference being that serfs could be sold like other mobilr assets as they were attached to the land. When thr land was sold, the serfs eere sold along with it so. The common theme between slavery and servedom so is that in both cases people were property of sorts. Abolitionists were Christians, because they tried to abolish slavery in Christian nations. As much as Abolitionists used religious arguments against slavery, slavery advocates used religious argments for it. Modern day de-facto slavery, in the Arab world and illegal varieties affecting immigrants for example, are different from historical slavery. As much different as Roman and Greek slavery was from Barbary state slavery and Colonial slavery. One hallmark of the modern variety of slavery, the one European nations used to build their colonial empires on, is the racist nature of it. In ancient times race didn't play much of a role in slavery. Nor did religion in pre-Christian Rome. These two things set the Colonial / Christian form slavery apart from those ancient forms.
    - peter_retief 5y ago
      Slavery was never about race. Often people would convert to Islam or Christianity so as not to be enslaved. Hence the Arab word for black Africans, Kefir or unbeliever.
- ivanhoe 5y ago
  Depends a lot on how you define the "recent history" period and in what locations? Slavery existed on all continents (except Australia I think?) long before the expansion of Christians started. Antic Mediterranean had slaves. Scandinavia nations had slaves. Mongolian and Chinese empires had slaves. North and South American native civilizations had slaves. Also the Christian slave traders of 13th - 19th century cooperated heavily with Arabs and natives to run the slave raids for them. At the same time Ottoman Empire also used slaves, as well as kidnapping children to serve as soldiers, just it's far less known in the West as it didn't affect Westerners.
Anthony-G 5y ago
A couple of centuries before that, the Roman Empire was disintegrating and Romano-Britons were regularly kidnapped by Gaelic Irish slavers. After a number of years, one of these slaves escaped but later returned to Ireland as a missionary and was successful in kick-starting the Christianisation of the Irish. In Christian Ireland, slaves gained more rights which eventually, as I understand it, lead to a decrease in slavery. Patrick is now our patron saint.

hef19898 5y ago

Considering that it was Christian nations that enslaved more people in recent history, and the longest, you might want to rethink your last sentence. And you might read up on serfdom, a hallmark in European feudalism.

livinginfear 5y ago
[citation needed] This is total nonsense. In modern times it's Christian, largely European nations where slavery has not flourished. Check the data for yourself. Slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world. In many cultures it's hardly even controversial. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17... https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/ https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/
inglor_cz 5y ago
Serfdom, which survived until the 18th century where I live, is rather different from chattel slavery. Serfs were tied to land, not to their masters. (It reminds you of the internal passport system of the USSR.) They therefore had local culture, uninterrupted traditions going back centuries, and families could not simply be torn apart by selling someone away. "Breeding" serfs for profit wasn't a thing either; everybody who was born in a certain village had to be sustained there. Young serfs could be recruited into the army and gain social status. And as a noble, you couldn't just import more serfs from abroad for money. You had to make do with what you had, which meant at least somewhat better treatment. What serfdom has in common with slavery is the fact that industrialization killed off both of them. Industry required a large and moveable work force. I am not insinuating that being a serf was enjoyable, but if I had to choose between serfdom and slavery, that would be no contest.
peter_retief 5y ago
Read what I said in context, the vikings stopped trading in slaves after converting to Christianity https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-period-until-1050-ad/the-viking-age/power-and-aristocracy/slaves-and-thralls/ https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistori... I also very much doubt your statement that Christian nations enslaved for the longest period and more people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slave... Slavery was banned because it was declared as being against the laws of god and many of the early anti slavery activists were deeply religious. I am not a christian but am offended by the bigoted tone some people take with Christianity
- hef19898 5y ago
  Let's just exclude the ancient Romans anf Greeks, shall we? In modern history it was Christian nations and colonial empires that enslaved until the 19th century. Christianity did nothong in stoping that, and Viking culture in general changed dramatically once they were converted to Christianity, slavery was just one aspect of that. Serfdom is, of course, different from slavery. Thr main difference being that serfs could be sold like other mobilr assets as they were attached to the land. When thr land was sold, the serfs eere sold along with it so. The common theme between slavery and servedom so is that in both cases people were property of sorts. Abolitionists were Christians, because they tried to abolish slavery in Christian nations. As much as Abolitionists used religious arguments against slavery, slavery advocates used religious argments for it. Modern day de-facto slavery, in the Arab world and illegal varieties affecting immigrants for example, are different from historical slavery. As much different as Roman and Greek slavery was from Barbary state slavery and Colonial slavery. One hallmark of the modern variety of slavery, the one European nations used to build their colonial empires on, is the racist nature of it. In ancient times race didn't play much of a role in slavery. Nor did religion in pre-Christian Rome. These two things set the Colonial / Christian form slavery apart from those ancient forms.
  - peter_retief 5y ago
    Slavery was never about race. Often people would convert to Islam or Christianity so as not to be enslaved. Hence the Arab word for black Africans, Kefir or unbeliever.
ivanhoe 5y ago
Depends a lot on how you define the "recent history" period and in what locations? Slavery existed on all continents (except Australia I think?) long before the expansion of Christians started. Antic Mediterranean had slaves. Scandinavia nations had slaves. Mongolian and Chinese empires had slaves. North and South American native civilizations had slaves. Also the Christian slave traders of 13th - 19th century cooperated heavily with Arabs and natives to run the slave raids for them. At the same time Ottoman Empire also used slaves, as well as kidnapping children to serve as soldiers, just it's far less known in the West as it didn't affect Westerners.

Anthony-G 5y ago

A couple of centuries before that, the Roman Empire was disintegrating and Romano-Britons were regularly kidnapped by Gaelic Irish slavers. After a number of years, one of these slaves escaped but later returned to Ireland as a missionary and was successful in kick-starting the Christianisation of the Irish. In Christian Ireland, slaves gained more rights which eventually, as I understand it, lead to a decrease in slavery. Patrick is now our patron saint.