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Anything that includes bloatware is untrustable. No question. Why even bother? You can't seriously run a project like this, add a load of bloatware, and expect

Anything that includes bloatware is untrustable. No question. Why even bother? You can't seriously run a project like this, add a load of bloatware, and expect to be trusted. Even that misjudgment is enough to understand that the people running this have no genuine interest in user privacy. Talk about undercutting your own reason for existing.

im_down_w_otp 5y ago
I think you might be misattributing their reason for existing.
- testbjjl 5y ago
  Hook, line and sinker. Why would anyone take offering seriously?
  - smaudet 5y ago
    Because they are targeting people who know nothing and are scared, common tactic for fraudsters, cults, etc. Of course real solutions exist but the lay person can't easily discern.
fmajid 5y ago
Anything referencing blockchain or cryptocurrencies is a scam. That also applies to the original Signal.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  I would say that there are scenarios where blockchains are legitimately useful.
  - maccard 5y ago
    Such as?
    - manuelabeledo 5y ago
      They are out there, and they aren't necessarily related to crypto [1] [2] Seriously though, blockchain is an interesting technology. It's a shame it has got such a bad rap because of its ties to cryptocurrency. [1] https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/use-cases/ https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/use-cases/ [2] https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/case-studies https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/case-studies
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        None of the "research" and use cases linked need blockchains or are made better by blockchains. These are quite transparent cash grabs while hype is strong.
        manuelabeledo 5y ago
        > None of the "research" and use cases linked need blockchains or are made better by blockchains. You can read at a speed I could only wish. Kudos. And of course they don't "need" them. We don't necessarily "need" the cloud, Docker, or web frameworks either, yet here we are. Yes, there could be a new, completely open, distributed database that let multiple users monitor and inspect all historical changes, while allowing some others to make modifications in it. We could just use Cassandra and build the whole distributed identity and storage infrastructure based on it.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        > You can read at a speed I could only wish. Kudos. I read the sensational headlines. They are as boring and as old as ever: it's the same "use-cases" over and over again, none of them require blockchains, and in none of them blockchain provided anything of value. > Yes, there could be a new, completely open, distributed database that let multiple users monitor and inspect all historical changes, while allowing some others to make modifications in it. You have just described a regular database with an open dataset. > We could just use Cassandra and build the whole distributed identity and storage infrastructure based on it. Yes. Yes, we could. And that's what all of those "researches" and "use cases" will inevitably end up doing: scraping "blockchain" and replacing it with MySQL, Postgres, BigQuery, Cassandra, MongoDB, sqlite etc.
- aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
  As opposed to what? If referring to Session, nobody refers to it as "the other Signal", lol
  - therealcamino 5y ago
    The subject of the article is a modified version of Signal called ClearSignal, so most likely that.
  - fmajid 4y ago
    Signal's tie-in with cryptocurrency MobileCoin: https://www.wired.com/story/signal-mobilecoin-cryptocurrency-payments/ https://www.wired.com/story/signal-mobilecoin-cryptocurrency...

im_down_w_otp 5y ago

I think you might be misattributing their reason for existing.

testbjjl 5y ago
Hook, line and sinker. Why would anyone take offering seriously?
- smaudet 5y ago
  Because they are targeting people who know nothing and are scared, common tactic for fraudsters, cults, etc. Of course real solutions exist but the lay person can't easily discern.

fmajid 5y ago

Anything referencing blockchain or cryptocurrencies is a scam. That also applies to the original Signal.

manuelabeledo 5y ago
I would say that there are scenarios where blockchains are legitimately useful.
- maccard 5y ago
  Such as?
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    They are out there, and they aren't necessarily related to crypto [1] [2] Seriously though, blockchain is an interesting technology. It's a shame it has got such a bad rap because of its ties to cryptocurrency. [1] https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/use-cases/ https://www.ibm.com/blockchain/use-cases/ [2] https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/case-studies https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/case-studies
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      None of the "research" and use cases linked need blockchains or are made better by blockchains. These are quite transparent cash grabs while hype is strong.
      - manuelabeledo 5y ago
        > None of the "research" and use cases linked need blockchains or are made better by blockchains. You can read at a speed I could only wish. Kudos. And of course they don't "need" them. We don't necessarily "need" the cloud, Docker, or web frameworks either, yet here we are. Yes, there could be a new, completely open, distributed database that let multiple users monitor and inspect all historical changes, while allowing some others to make modifications in it. We could just use Cassandra and build the whole distributed identity and storage infrastructure based on it.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        > You can read at a speed I could only wish. Kudos. I read the sensational headlines. They are as boring and as old as ever: it's the same "use-cases" over and over again, none of them require blockchains, and in none of them blockchain provided anything of value. > Yes, there could be a new, completely open, distributed database that let multiple users monitor and inspect all historical changes, while allowing some others to make modifications in it. You have just described a regular database with an open dataset. > We could just use Cassandra and build the whole distributed identity and storage infrastructure based on it. Yes. Yes, we could. And that's what all of those "researches" and "use cases" will inevitably end up doing: scraping "blockchain" and replacing it with MySQL, Postgres, BigQuery, Cassandra, MongoDB, sqlite etc.
aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
As opposed to what? If referring to Session, nobody refers to it as "the other Signal", lol
- therealcamino 5y ago
  The subject of the article is a modified version of Signal called ClearSignal, so most likely that.
- fmajid 4y ago
  Signal's tie-in with cryptocurrency MobileCoin: https://www.wired.com/story/signal-mobilecoin-cryptocurrency-payments/ https://www.wired.com/story/signal-mobilecoin-cryptocurrency...