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Yes, obviously this. I support stronger military action. I don’t want nuclear war. Again, obviously. All that blob of text is pointless. NATO need merely decla
by oneoff786 5y ago
Yes, obviously this. I support stronger military action. I don’t want nuclear war. Again, obviously.
All that blob of text is pointless. NATO need merely declare it has no offensive ambitions. Which it doesn’t. Then there’s no existential threat.
Whether Russia chooses to use nukes, likely against kyiv, is really independent of that distinction. Whether the west responds with nukes is all but assuredly “no”.
- paulryanrogers 5y agoIt's like everyone is afraid of stopping the bully beating up on a weak kid because the bully also threatens to respond to intervention with a gun. Yet the bully also knows if they actually use the gun they'll be put down like a feral dog before they have time to reload.
- oneoff786 5y agoNo that’s not quite right. Nobody is going to do anything if the bully shoots the weak kid.
- paulryanrogers 5y agoSo if Russian nukes Ukraine no one will respond militarily?
- oneoff786 5y agoProbably not?
- pharke 5y agoThat's a terrible analogy, nuclear weapons are more akin to everyone being armed with grenades and trapped in the same room. You're going to get hit no matter what so as soon as one person pulls a pin their target is going to do the same and everyone is getting hit by shrapnel.
- pharke 5y ago> NATO need merely declare it has no offensive ambitions. Which it doesn’t. Then there’s no existential threat. Let's examine that from a counterfactual standpoint. Let's say that during the invasion of Iraq Russia had decided to impose a no fly zone and then proceeded to shoot down American aircraft when they violated it. They of course declared that they have no offensive ambitions, they're simply helping to defend a sovereign nation against a larger aggressor. Would that have caused the United States to attack Russian forces?
- oneoff786 5y agoIt wouldn’t have caused the United States to attack Russian forces in Russia. They may have engaged each other as part of a proxy war in Iraq.