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Yes, the publications the U.S. made for the population back then were reassuring. The people who actually plan the wars these days expect maybe 15 to 20 millio

Yes, the publications the U.S. made for the population back then were reassuring. The people who actually plan the wars these days expect maybe 15 to 20 million people to still be alive in the U.S. a year and a half after a full general war.

edgyquant 5y ago
Do you have a source for this?
- chakalakasp 5y ago
  Yes.
  - boole1854 5y ago
    And can you share your source?
    - hammock 5y ago
      Sounds like it could be a classified source considering he’s referring to contemporary war plans
      - nostrademons 5y ago
        Elsewhere in this thread he links to David Teter's OPEN-RISOP as his source. [1] The quality of OPEN-RISOP is generally pretty good, and the author worked at Sandia National Labs about 10-20 years ago. Targeting at least is pretty consistent with what I'd expect as high value targets. OPEN-RISOP's counterforce + countervalue scenario only tallies about 60M fatalities (~20% of US population) from the original attack. chakalakaps must be assuming cascading failures of infrastructure & food production after the initial attack (a la Threads [2]). While this is a distinct possibility, it's far from a given - and this is also one of those areas where being prepared (eg. having a year of dried foodstuffs stored, or a small personal garden) can give you a distinct survival advantage. [1] https://github.com/davidteter/OPEN-RISOP/tree/main/TARGET%20GRAPHICS/OPEN-RISOP%200.93%20COUNTERFORCE%2BCOUNTERVALUE%20ATTACK https://github.com/davidteter/OPEN-RISOP/tree/main/TARGET%20... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE
        chakalakasp 5y ago
        David has mentioned on Twitter and Reddit (when asked) that he estimates 90% to 95% of all people living in the U.S. would be dead within 18 months after either of his attack scenarios that involve countervalue due to complete breakdown of all infrastructure, production, supply chains, communications, etc.

edgyquant 5y ago

Do you have a source for this?

chakalakasp 5y ago
Yes.
- boole1854 5y ago
  And can you share your source?
  - hammock 5y ago
    Sounds like it could be a classified source considering he’s referring to contemporary war plans
    - nostrademons 5y ago
      Elsewhere in this thread he links to David Teter's OPEN-RISOP as his source. [1] The quality of OPEN-RISOP is generally pretty good, and the author worked at Sandia National Labs about 10-20 years ago. Targeting at least is pretty consistent with what I'd expect as high value targets. OPEN-RISOP's counterforce + countervalue scenario only tallies about 60M fatalities (~20% of US population) from the original attack. chakalakaps must be assuming cascading failures of infrastructure & food production after the initial attack (a la Threads [2]). While this is a distinct possibility, it's far from a given - and this is also one of those areas where being prepared (eg. having a year of dried foodstuffs stored, or a small personal garden) can give you a distinct survival advantage. [1] https://github.com/davidteter/OPEN-RISOP/tree/main/TARGET%20GRAPHICS/OPEN-RISOP%200.93%20COUNTERFORCE%2BCOUNTERVALUE%20ATTACK https://github.com/davidteter/OPEN-RISOP/tree/main/TARGET%20... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Srqyd8B9gE
      - chakalakasp 5y ago
        David has mentioned on Twitter and Reddit (when asked) that he estimates 90% to 95% of all people living in the U.S. would be dead within 18 months after either of his attack scenarios that involve countervalue due to complete breakdown of all infrastructure, production, supply chains, communications, etc.