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If you're talking about lizard people, sure. But subliminal messaging is considered a conspiracy theory. Maybe it's not as obvious as messages played backwards

If you're talking about lizard people, sure. But subliminal messaging is considered a conspiracy theory. Maybe it's not as obvious as messages played backwards, but if it's not happening already, there are definitely people working on it. The UK Government has a "nudge unit". I suppose arguably it's not a conspiracy theory any more because we all just assume it goes on. Are the vaccine conspiracies really that outlandish, in a world where the US government once intentionally infected black people with syphilis and let them die in the Tuskegee syphilis study? (I'm triple vaxxed, just pointing it out.) At one point before Snowden, the whole NSA thing was considered a conspiracy theory by many. World governments have done some really crazy things in the past and kept it secret for a long time. Why do we assume now is any different?

alphabettsy 5y ago
> intentionally infected black people with syphilis They didn’t infect them afaik. They didn’t treat them in order to study the progression. Only slightly less monstrous. But yea, most of the vaccine conspiracies are outlandish. Like the number 666 being in some patent number means it’s the end times, etc.
- cameronh90 5y ago
  You're right, I was mixing it up with the Guatemala syphilis experiments. Clearly the vaccine conspiracy theories are mostly nuts, but I think what GP poster was getting at is that the truth is often somewhere in the middle. Yeah there are no microchips from Bill Gates in there, but.. I don't know.. will we end up finding that a bunch of safety data was fudged to get a vaccine out quickly? Maybe. That happens anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me that much. Certainly in the UK, some of the data was technically correct but presented to the public in a misleading way. Point is, I'm sure our governments are up to all sorts of shady stuff, just as they always have been, and in the future we'll find out that some of the conspiracy theories were not completely incorrect. The fact that they have done so much shady stuff in the past is what drives many of these conspiracy theories. And back to the original point, does it really seem that outlandish that CIA psyops might be intentionally seeding these groups with nutty beliefs because they were getting uncomfortably close to something actually true? We'll find out in 50 years, I suppose, if we're still alive...
  - alphabettsy 5y ago
    > does it really seem that outlandish that CIA psyops might be intentionally seeding these groups with nutty beliefs because they were getting uncomfortably close to something actually true? Not that outlandish but my own experience has shown that people can come up with crazy all on their own. Time will reveal, or it won’t.
oneoff786 5y ago
Believing a vaccine may have untested side effects is fine. Believing the vaccine has microchips in it is bottom percentile stupidity. What is the theory you’re wondering about?
- ibz 5y ago
  Did you actually meet real people that believe the chip story or are you just repeating what some anon on the Internet said? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but I am not so sure these people actually exist. Except of course the occasional nut case that goes out yelling on the streets and you would simply ignore IRL.
  - oneoff786 5y ago
    Of course not, but then, I’m not anywhere near a social circle that would permit those kinds of people. I’m sure they exist. But my question still stands, if not the microchip thing, what is a conspiracy theory about the vaccines that has merit worth considering given 5 minutes of critical thinking and research? None, as far as I’m aware.

alphabettsy 5y ago

> intentionally infected black people with syphilis They didn’t infect them afaik. They didn’t treat them in order to study the progression. Only slightly less monstrous. But yea, most of the vaccine conspiracies are outlandish. Like the number 666 being in some patent number means it’s the end times, etc.

cameronh90 5y ago
You're right, I was mixing it up with the Guatemala syphilis experiments. Clearly the vaccine conspiracy theories are mostly nuts, but I think what GP poster was getting at is that the truth is often somewhere in the middle. Yeah there are no microchips from Bill Gates in there, but.. I don't know.. will we end up finding that a bunch of safety data was fudged to get a vaccine out quickly? Maybe. That happens anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me that much. Certainly in the UK, some of the data was technically correct but presented to the public in a misleading way. Point is, I'm sure our governments are up to all sorts of shady stuff, just as they always have been, and in the future we'll find out that some of the conspiracy theories were not completely incorrect. The fact that they have done so much shady stuff in the past is what drives many of these conspiracy theories. And back to the original point, does it really seem that outlandish that CIA psyops might be intentionally seeding these groups with nutty beliefs because they were getting uncomfortably close to something actually true? We'll find out in 50 years, I suppose, if we're still alive...
- alphabettsy 5y ago
  > does it really seem that outlandish that CIA psyops might be intentionally seeding these groups with nutty beliefs because they were getting uncomfortably close to something actually true? Not that outlandish but my own experience has shown that people can come up with crazy all on their own. Time will reveal, or it won’t.

oneoff786 5y ago

Believing a vaccine may have untested side effects is fine. Believing the vaccine has microchips in it is bottom percentile stupidity. What is the theory you’re wondering about?

ibz 5y ago
Did you actually meet real people that believe the chip story or are you just repeating what some anon on the Internet said? Call me a conspiracy theorist if you wish, but I am not so sure these people actually exist. Except of course the occasional nut case that goes out yelling on the streets and you would simply ignore IRL.
- oneoff786 5y ago
  Of course not, but then, I’m not anywhere near a social circle that would permit those kinds of people. I’m sure they exist. But my question still stands, if not the microchip thing, what is a conspiracy theory about the vaccines that has merit worth considering given 5 minutes of critical thinking and research? None, as far as I’m aware.