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I'm always really happy to get to a technical description -- because I think these philosophical replies make it seem like we're talking about a working system.

I'm always really happy to get to a technical description -- because I think these philosophical replies make it seem like we're talking about a working system. And there isnt one. So what i'm interested in is machine systems for which we have (1) no prior specification of the environment; and which in the end (2) anticipate permutations in the environment which arent specified. intelligence is the solution to this, for (1) form concepts which carve out the environment using your body; and (2) use these concepts to engage in counter-factual reasoning which simulate possible change. I think a fatal issue for AI is that these arent even in the class of problems being addressed. Talking about intentionality here gives the field vastly more credit than it deserves. We arent even at the level of basic concept formation.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> So what i'm interested in is machine systems for which we have (1) no prior specification of the environment; and which in the end (2) anticipate permutations in the environment which arent specified. But there are no biological systems that do this either (other than to the extent that by virtue of their embodiement, they may necessarily come more of a builtin "understanding" of the (physical) environment)).
- mjburgess 5y ago
  Yes, I dont think intelligence is cognitive -- it's the content of cognition. Where does that come from? Essentially our bio-organic structure as distributed across the body, and esp. motor cortext. In otherwords, the AI problem is unsolvable by any system. It's the wrong problem. Cognition, as a formal structure, isnt intelligent.
  - webmaven 5y ago
    > Yes, I dont think intelligence is cognitive -- it's the content of cognition. Where does that come from? Essentially our bio-organic structure as distributed across the body, and esp. motor cortext. All right, so where does that (the organic structure including the motor cortex that creates cognition) come from?

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

> So what i'm interested in is machine systems for which we have (1) no prior specification of the environment; and which in the end (2) anticipate permutations in the environment which arent specified. But there are no biological systems that do this either (other than to the extent that by virtue of their embodiement, they may necessarily come more of a builtin "understanding" of the (physical) environment)).

mjburgess 5y ago
Yes, I dont think intelligence is cognitive -- it's the content of cognition. Where does that come from? Essentially our bio-organic structure as distributed across the body, and esp. motor cortext. In otherwords, the AI problem is unsolvable by any system. It's the wrong problem. Cognition, as a formal structure, isnt intelligent.
- webmaven 5y ago
  > Yes, I dont think intelligence is cognitive -- it's the content of cognition. Where does that come from? Essentially our bio-organic structure as distributed across the body, and esp. motor cortext. All right, so where does that (the organic structure including the motor cortex that creates cognition) come from?