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In your long, meandering post that reminds me of the long, meandering thread you linked, you claim that anyone who supports free speech is "actually a deeper en
by slibhb 5y ago
In your long, meandering post that reminds me of the long, meandering thread you linked, you claim that anyone who supports free speech is "actually a deeper enemy of discourse" than a censor. That's creepy Orwellian nonsense and anyone "smart" enough to convince themselves that up is down should not be making decisions.
This actually isn't hard. Ban racial slurs, "doxxing," calls to genocide, and low effort provocations. Don't ban ideas because you're convinced they are wrong or dangerous.
- dm319 5y ago> Ban racial slurs, "doxxing," calls to genocide, and low effort provocations. Hey everyone, look here! We have the answer to the thorny issue of what governs free speech in clear black and white. Twitter, facebook, reddit execs, take note!
- slibhb 5y agoI could easily do this job. It's not hard, it merely requires not being a coward. But my rate is quite high.
- wwweston 5y ago> you claim that anyone who supports free speech is "actually a deeper enemy of discourse" than a censor Not what I said. If you care about speech, try to be careful about parsing, interpreting, and summarizing it. If something still doesn't make sense, try asking questions.
- slibhb 5y agoIt's exactly what you said. I took your dissembling and accurately reproduced its message in one sentence. > More precisely: ideas are powerful, which means they can be dangerous. > Anyone who doesn't understand that is actually a deeper enemy of discourse than a platform owner who says their forum is not a venue for topic X or opinion Y. In order to have REAL FREE SPEECH (which you call DISCOURSE) we have to CENSOR BAD OPINIONS. No. Stop playing whack-a-mole with "bad ideas". "X idea leads to Y bad thing" is almost always wrong, the world is chaotic, no one knows the result of a tweet, and people who claim to are just looking for excuse to shut down debates they're afraid to have.
- unethical_ban 5y ago"Low effort provocations" is disinformation, is trolling, is spreading knowable lies. Then we agree those should be moderated.
- slibhb 5y agoNo, "low effort provocations" has nothing to do with "disinformation" or "spreading knowable lies". I am genuinly astonished that you think all those things are synonyms. news.ycombinator.com does this right -- moderators rarely moderate based on the message or idea in a post and their opinion about its truth-value. Rather, posts are moderated for being provocative, overly rude, including slurs, low effort, and so on.
- unethical_ban 5y agoI'm making the point that deliberate misinformation is provocation. Claims without evidence, baseless contrarian assertions with no semblance of logic, is provocation. Posting snarky one-liner "rebuttals" to a paragraphs-long post is provocation. Not all of those things deserve the same level of reaction, but they are a disservice to useful conversation and should be moderated/downvoted accordingly. I agree that HN does it correctly, so I wonder where our disconnect is.
- WalterBright 5y ago> is spreading knowable lies How about lies like the Earth revolves around the Sun?
- WalterBright 5y agoI'd just stick with banning what's already illegal - libel, inciting violence, fraud, threats, harassment, criminal activity, etc.