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To a degree you're right, but it's a somewhat navel-gazing point. There are circumstances where killing someone is legally and (arguably) ethically justified. (
by troad 5y ago
To a degree you're right, but it's a somewhat navel-gazing point. There are circumstances where killing someone is legally and (arguably) ethically justified. (Defence, for example.) It's fine to adopt the principle "don't kill people" as an ideal, but - similarly to your point about free speech - it's naive to think an actual ruleset can derive from this ideal alone. Your point is reducible to "things are complicated", which - while true! - is kind of obvious.
No speech is unequivocally free, but there's certainly a gradient of more free to less free. I've spent time in North Korea, and boy was I glad when I crossed the Sinuiju-Dandong bridge back to China. And then on the other end of the scale there are things you can say in New York you could be prosecuted for in London. When someone says they want "free speech", they're saying they want to push the norms more towards the free end of the spectrum. It's fine to ask: "OK, how do we do that? What, specifically, does that entail in the present situation?" And those questions may entail compromises and nuances that aren't entirely satisfactory to everyone involved, while still all in all bolstering the ability to speak freely.
Free speech is messy and abstract, but it does exist in a meaningful sense, and there are concrete things that can bolster and weaken it. If someone says they want "more free speech", that's a meaningful political statement.
- dalbasal 5y ago>To a degree you're right, but it's a somewhat navel-gazing point. With respect, nonsense. My point is not ""free speech is complicated, there are exceptions".* This is not about shouting fire in a theatre. It's about sloganized thinking. This then resolves to high-level, half baked "solutions" like adopting "constitutional free speech" or whatnot. The laws used to determine if you go to jail are not suitable for determining what's allowable to say at work. You can legally tell "you suck" at The Rock on the street, but if you do it at a restaurant they will throw you out. Etc. Etc. Currently, for all the idealistic takes about free speech online, there is nothing of practical use circulating. No protocol, pledge or method that twitter or any other site can adopt. Free speech is currently an extremely vapid debate, all the worse for its shrill spectacle Digital freedoms closely were at a high point 15-20 years ago. The WWW meant that mass digital communication was via a free and open protocol. Concepts like Wikipedia succeeded. Linux. OSS generally. Those came with thought out, sometimes complex frameworks and philosophical ideas about freedoms.. eg FOSS. The current free speech "drive" is, by comparison, sludge.