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This is my preferred option also but I love reading the comments when these sorts of posts appear as it seems that interviewing is still something that causes l

This is my preferred option also but I love reading the comments when these sorts of posts appear as it seems that interviewing is still something that causes loads of debate and no matter whether the op is whiteboard, tricky algorithm or <other> focussed, there’s still a hot debate. Interviewing just seems broken It must surely boil down to the profession aspect. Doctors and lawyers do a period of internship after and during the degree that perhaps mitigates the uncertainty around hiring. I doubt that doctors are asked to bring in a cadaver to operate on during an interview for a new position, or lawyers are asked to jump into court unprepared and defend someone as part of the hiring practice. It sometimes seems that programming jobs need to be a calling. Ie: you spend 50 hours a week at job doing the thing but then are also asked to have a portfolio on the side that you presumably do in your spare time. It could just be an American thing, though. Perhaps hiring is seen as very risky because sv salaries are so out of proportion to the standard across the rest of the working environment, in addition to there being very little quality control regarding professionalism in the industry that makes technical hiring such a minefield.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
>It could just be an American thing, though. It's not. You'll find plenty of anecdotes outside the US. Even just outside SV is enough to put things into question, as salaries outside SV are way lower. >Doctors and lawyers do a period of internship after and during the degree that perhaps mitigates the uncertainty around hiring. Two problems with this. For one, this is changing rapidly. Any institute of higher education is becoming a worker factory focusing on what the industry wants in candidates rapidly. Despite this, interviewers continue to complain about the most minor things which in reality are very easy to grasp for people with a degree and some projects. For two, this problem still persists after having some years of experience under your belt. If an internship mitigates the need for other professions to go through this, surely having verifiable experience should do the same. But it doesn't, and it takes away a lot of time from people to build their own portfolio to get through interviews with too. >It must surely boil down to the profession aspect. I don't believe so. Hiring is plagued with perfectionism and idealism, looking for the perfect candidates and failing candidates over the most minor things. You could actually be the best candidate in the world, and you'll fail because you said something or did something in a way the interviewer preemptively labels as "unviable". The problem is actually as you point out: hiring managers are pushing risks onto individuals in the name of "calling", and loads of developers are doing nothing to push back on it. Or worse, they are encouraging it. See also why the average junior requirements includes an entire IT department's worth of skills.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

>It could just be an American thing, though. It's not. You'll find plenty of anecdotes outside the US. Even just outside SV is enough to put things into question, as salaries outside SV are way lower. >Doctors and lawyers do a period of internship after and during the degree that perhaps mitigates the uncertainty around hiring. Two problems with this. For one, this is changing rapidly. Any institute of higher education is becoming a worker factory focusing on what the industry wants in candidates rapidly. Despite this, interviewers continue to complain about the most minor things which in reality are very easy to grasp for people with a degree and some projects. For two, this problem still persists after having some years of experience under your belt. If an internship mitigates the need for other professions to go through this, surely having verifiable experience should do the same. But it doesn't, and it takes away a lot of time from people to build their own portfolio to get through interviews with too. >It must surely boil down to the profession aspect. I don't believe so. Hiring is plagued with perfectionism and idealism, looking for the perfect candidates and failing candidates over the most minor things. You could actually be the best candidate in the world, and you'll fail because you said something or did something in a way the interviewer preemptively labels as "unviable". The problem is actually as you point out: hiring managers are pushing risks onto individuals in the name of "calling", and loads of developers are doing nothing to push back on it. Or worse, they are encouraging it. See also why the average junior requirements includes an entire IT department's worth of skills.