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Welcome 2030 You'll Own Nothing Have No Privacy and Life Has Never Been Crueler

33 points by goindeep 4y ago

rini17 4y ago
Again and again, absolutely no reflection how so far all attempts of anonymity + decentralization failed to sybil attacks and other kinds of abuse. Solve that first and you won't have to convince people anymore. Instead of starting another quixotic fight against "central control".
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  > all attempts of anonymity + decentralization failed to sybil attacks and other kinds of abuse. When did something like this stop the Monero network?
  - rini17 4y ago
    Nobody stopped bitcoin network either. The state law works on different level and apparently the techies are blind to that.
pjmlp 4y ago
Assuming we don't get nuked before that.
endisneigh 4y ago
The problem is trust, to which there’s no solution.
- throwaway48375 4y ago
  It seems to me this is the case in so many cases. Whether it is smart contracts, geopolitics, or relationships trust always seems to be where things break down.
- FabHK 4y ago
  I'd say the solution is trust, and it works remarkably well.
  - yonaguska 4y ago
    A return to in person, open markets where one can barter for a wide variety of goods will be the solution here. If anonymity is to be preserved. Doing things in person goes along way with building trust. I don't care about anonymity from the people in doing transactions with, only the third parties that might be watching. Maybe a digital solution would be a market with buy in to participate, do your business, and cash back out after every transaction you made has been dually confirmed by you and the other party. The market should need no knowledge of goods purchased. Just a trade confirmation by both parties.
- bordercases 4y ago
- ohiovr 4y ago
  People trusted tv for years to preach to their kids violence, murder, and mayhem. Now people blindly trust the internet for all their answers. Trust seems to be pretty easy to have in these parts. But it is entirely foolish to trust that which destroys you.
fuckcensorship 4y ago
This article comes across as an ad for DecentraWorld in disguise. The author shrugs off Monero and other privacy coins because, “In reality investors, traders, fans, and regular people that purchase and trade cryptocurrencies are not using privacy currencies, they are using the most common currencies.” The author then spends the remaining article writing about “other solutions” but only mentions DecentraWorld which sounds like a bunch of crypto services built on top of the Ethereum blockchain. Why doesn’t the author share the same criticism of DecentraWorld as he does for privacy coins? Why would “investors, traders, fans, and regular people” use DecentraWorld rather than privacy coins?
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  This entire website is advertising for scams.
  - goindeep 4y ago
    Really? How so? I must be a bad ad salesman, lol. See the donation buttons? Thats like the Internet version of begging mate. Don't think i'd be doing that if I was raking in the bug bucks. But thanks.
- zamalek 4y ago
  > Why would “investors, traders, fans, and regular people” use DecentraWorld rather than privacy coins? Gambling. If you get into the pump early enough, and get out before the dump, you could stand to make a lot of fiat currency.
- goindeep 4y ago
  Im the author, I hold, use, and promote privacy tokens. In fact much of my earlier blog posts were for an entire privacy network called SAFE Network. I've also had the co-creator of Dark-Fi on as a guest, had the creator of a Pirate Chain merch site on, creator of a virtual private shopper service on, and i'm about to hit the go button on an interview with the co-founder of FIRO. Not an ad, just decided instead of doing an interview with the founder of DecentraWorld which is what I usually do that I'd try something else. I don't charge for the interviews I do or content I produce and so I can kind of do what I like I guess. Thanks
zamalek 4y ago
> 2030 I think that the climate crisis will be the thing affecting more people by 2030. I'm very interested to hear how proof of work would help alleviate that.
- yonaguska 4y ago
  The climate crisis will be used as justification for more of this centralized control for sure.
  - zamalek 4y ago
    You didn't answer the question. How would a technology that consumes more power/carbon than some countries help prevent that?
    - aetherson 4y ago
      What percentage of the world's energy consumption do you think crypto uses?
- chrisco255 4y ago
  What crisis? Who is dying from mild warming? The crisis that has been predicted every year since 1990 has not materialized. We have rather ordinary, rather boring climate conditions right now. No, really. Crop yields are near all time highs (although with man-made fertilizer shortages due to war, may take a hit this year) [1]. The earth is greening as a result of CO2 fertilization [2]. Deaths from natural disasters are near all time lows [3]. Sea level rise is marginal (1.5-3 mm per year) and not by any means catastrophic [4]. The planet will be fine in 2030 just like it is fine today. Please, go visit our national parks if you're in the U.S. Go hike Yellowstone. Go to Glacier National Park, which they predicted would melt by 2020 (didn't happen). Go look at the wildlife yourself. They are thriving. The polar bear population has more than six-tupled since the 1950s [5]. There is no, suddenly in 2030 everything is going to collapse. Earth has been much, much warmer, much more CO2 dense, and life was thriving. Warmth is almost universally good for life. It is icy and cold and dry conditions that life struggles to survive in. Yes, I know some ecosystems are under intense pressure as a result of manmade activity. But warmth isn't it. The majority of the biodiversity falls within the tropics and drops off as you enter temperate zones and then again as you enter the arctic zones. But meanwhile, it's not as if those tropic zones are expanding rapidly. They're not going to be any different in 2030 than in 2022. The 2030 narrative is designed to terrify you. It is a narrative. It is not science. It's a deranged hypothesis focused on manipulating human psychology. And clearly, it's highly effective as an exercise in thought control. 1: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields 2: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer... 3: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-from-natural-disasters https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-from-nat... 4: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B97801237471120030415 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B978012374...: https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index 5: https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-polar-bear-population-is-declining/ https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-polar-bear-popula...
buttocks 4y ago
Starts off as an interesting thought exercise on privacy. Turns into a crypto shill. Crypto does not yield privacy. How many times does this have to be said?
- cinntaile 4y ago
  There are a lot of cryptocurrencies doing a lot of different things. Some are privacy focused, most are not.
- yucky 4y ago
  Mostly true, but Monero definitely is privacy focused.

33 points by goindeep 4y ago

Again and again, absolutely no reflection how so far all attempts of anonymity + decentralization failed to sybil attacks and other kinds of abuse. Solve that first and you won't have to convince people anymore. Instead of starting another quixotic fight against "central control".

aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
> all attempts of anonymity + decentralization failed to sybil attacks and other kinds of abuse. When did something like this stop the Monero network?
- rini17 4y ago
  Nobody stopped bitcoin network either. The state law works on different level and apparently the techies are blind to that.

pjmlp 4y ago

Assuming we don't get nuked before that.

endisneigh 4y ago

The problem is trust, to which there’s no solution.

throwaway48375 4y ago
It seems to me this is the case in so many cases. Whether it is smart contracts, geopolitics, or relationships trust always seems to be where things break down.
FabHK 4y ago
I'd say the solution is trust, and it works remarkably well.
- yonaguska 4y ago
  A return to in person, open markets where one can barter for a wide variety of goods will be the solution here. If anonymity is to be preserved. Doing things in person goes along way with building trust. I don't care about anonymity from the people in doing transactions with, only the third parties that might be watching. Maybe a digital solution would be a market with buy in to participate, do your business, and cash back out after every transaction you made has been dually confirmed by you and the other party. The market should need no knowledge of goods purchased. Just a trade confirmation by both parties.
bordercases 4y ago
ohiovr 4y ago
People trusted tv for years to preach to their kids violence, murder, and mayhem. Now people blindly trust the internet for all their answers. Trust seems to be pretty easy to have in these parts. But it is entirely foolish to trust that which destroys you.

fuckcensorship 4y ago

This article comes across as an ad for DecentraWorld in disguise. The author shrugs off Monero and other privacy coins because, “In reality investors, traders, fans, and regular people that purchase and trade cryptocurrencies are not using privacy currencies, they are using the most common currencies.” The author then spends the remaining article writing about “other solutions” but only mentions DecentraWorld which sounds like a bunch of crypto services built on top of the Ethereum blockchain. Why doesn’t the author share the same criticism of DecentraWorld as he does for privacy coins? Why would “investors, traders, fans, and regular people” use DecentraWorld rather than privacy coins?

formerkrogemp 4y ago
This entire website is advertising for scams.
- goindeep 4y ago
  Really? How so? I must be a bad ad salesman, lol. See the donation buttons? Thats like the Internet version of begging mate. Don't think i'd be doing that if I was raking in the bug bucks. But thanks.
zamalek 4y ago
> Why would “investors, traders, fans, and regular people” use DecentraWorld rather than privacy coins? Gambling. If you get into the pump early enough, and get out before the dump, you could stand to make a lot of fiat currency.
goindeep 4y ago
Im the author, I hold, use, and promote privacy tokens. In fact much of my earlier blog posts were for an entire privacy network called SAFE Network. I've also had the co-creator of Dark-Fi on as a guest, had the creator of a Pirate Chain merch site on, creator of a virtual private shopper service on, and i'm about to hit the go button on an interview with the co-founder of FIRO. Not an ad, just decided instead of doing an interview with the founder of DecentraWorld which is what I usually do that I'd try something else. I don't charge for the interviews I do or content I produce and so I can kind of do what I like I guess. Thanks

zamalek 4y ago

> 2030 I think that the climate crisis will be the thing affecting more people by 2030. I'm very interested to hear how proof of work would help alleviate that.

yonaguska 4y ago
The climate crisis will be used as justification for more of this centralized control for sure.
- zamalek 4y ago
  You didn't answer the question. How would a technology that consumes more power/carbon than some countries help prevent that?
  - aetherson 4y ago
    What percentage of the world's energy consumption do you think crypto uses?
chrisco255 4y ago
What crisis? Who is dying from mild warming? The crisis that has been predicted every year since 1990 has not materialized. We have rather ordinary, rather boring climate conditions right now. No, really. Crop yields are near all time highs (although with man-made fertilizer shortages due to war, may take a hit this year) [1]. The earth is greening as a result of CO2 fertilization [2]. Deaths from natural disasters are near all time lows [3]. Sea level rise is marginal (1.5-3 mm per year) and not by any means catastrophic [4]. The planet will be fine in 2030 just like it is fine today. Please, go visit our national parks if you're in the U.S. Go hike Yellowstone. Go to Glacier National Park, which they predicted would melt by 2020 (didn't happen). Go look at the wildlife yourself. They are thriving. The polar bear population has more than six-tupled since the 1950s [5]. There is no, suddenly in 2030 everything is going to collapse. Earth has been much, much warmer, much more CO2 dense, and life was thriving. Warmth is almost universally good for life. It is icy and cold and dry conditions that life struggles to survive in. Yes, I know some ecosystems are under intense pressure as a result of manmade activity. But warmth isn't it. The majority of the biodiversity falls within the tropics and drops off as you enter temperate zones and then again as you enter the arctic zones. But meanwhile, it's not as if those tropic zones are expanding rapidly. They're not going to be any different in 2030 than in 2022. The 2030 narrative is designed to terrify you. It is a narrative. It is not science. It's a deranged hypothesis focused on manipulating human psychology. And clearly, it's highly effective as an exercise in thought control. 1: https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields 2: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer... 3: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-from-natural-disasters https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-from-nat... 4: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B97801237471120030415 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B978012374...: https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index 5: https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-polar-bear-population-is-declining/ https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-polar-bear-popula...

buttocks 4y ago

Starts off as an interesting thought exercise on privacy. Turns into a crypto shill. Crypto does not yield privacy. How many times does this have to be said?

cinntaile 4y ago
There are a lot of cryptocurrencies doing a lot of different things. Some are privacy focused, most are not.
yucky 4y ago
Mostly true, but Monero definitely is privacy focused.