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> Personally I kind of dislike the idea of funding civilian slaughter and Russian quest for lebensraum. Germany stopping buying gas now will neither stop the w

> Personally I kind of dislike the idea of funding civilian slaughter and Russian quest for lebensraum. Germany stopping buying gas now will neither stop the war, nor it will prevent Russian military from receiving money from Russian government. Everyone who repeats this idea as you do is just diverting the discussion from other options. Yes, you may feel some moral obligation to cut off economic ties to Russia, but there are always stupid moral choices (doing more harm than good) and reasonable ones. Continuing with nuclear, stopping gas imports are both stupid choices. Locking cash paid for gas on an escrow account in neutral country could work better. Accelerating investment in renewables and energy conservation, cutting red tape, shipping heavy weapons and offering other support to Ukraine are more pragmatic and impactful options.

belorn 5y ago
The risk that continuing buying gas from Russia will cause more war and further destruction is higher than the risk that continuing operations of nuclear power will cause a nuclear accident. We can call names if we want. Continuing heating the planet up by burning fossil fuels when we have a cleaner option is stupid and history won't look favorable to fossil fuel advocates. There is a mass extinction occurring all over the world, especially in the oceans, just because people are afraid of a once in 100,000 year risk that with modern technology is even smaller risk. There has never been a earthquake recorded in Germany that has been large enough to interfere with German nuclear plants. Utterly madness how afraid people are to something which won't occur. Conflict resources are internationally known to be a factor in war, in contributing to war, and to prolong wars. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is an IS, some warlord in Congo, or Russia. A major tactic dealing with IS was to cut their funding, and while it did take many years, the effect of cutting IS funding is rarely disputed.
- ivan_gammel 5y ago
  > Utterly madness how afraid people are to something which won't occur. What you are doing here is a perversion of facts and opinions. Nobody is afraid of a nuclear incident caused by an earthquake in Germany. Nobody in this thread was talking about it. The examples of Fukushima or Chernobyl were provided only as examples of unforeseen events, that illustrate why safety must be taken seriously, why any „acceleration“ is dangerous and why actual risks and costs can be higher than some people wish to see. >The risk that continuing buying gas from Russia will cause more war and further destruction is higher than the risk that continuing operations of nuclear power will cause a nuclear accident. Europe will stop buying gas from Russia relatively soon to ensure it has less resources to wage new wars. It is absolutely baseless claim to say that immediate stop will have a significant positive impact.
  - belorn 5y ago
    > Germany stopping buying gas now will neither stop the war, nor it will prevent Russian military from receiving money from Russian government Please provide your facts that providing Russia with more funds won't prolong and extend their war in Europe. We can call your assertion a perversion of facts and opinions if you like. It is absolutely fact-less to say that immediate stop will not have a significant positive impact. An opinion one might say. It is a fact that nation do see the purchase of conflict resources as an contributing factor for prolonging wars. Europe might stop buying fossil fuels from Russia in 5-10-20 years from now. It is also a Fact that we don't know if it will be too late, what Russia will do in the mean time, nor how they will react to more sanctions. The risk is that Russia will invade more countries if funding continue is only something which people can estimate, like the risk that a nuclear accident might occur within that time frame. Please provide your crystal ball for inspection.

belorn 5y ago

The risk that continuing buying gas from Russia will cause more war and further destruction is higher than the risk that continuing operations of nuclear power will cause a nuclear accident. We can call names if we want. Continuing heating the planet up by burning fossil fuels when we have a cleaner option is stupid and history won't look favorable to fossil fuel advocates. There is a mass extinction occurring all over the world, especially in the oceans, just because people are afraid of a once in 100,000 year risk that with modern technology is even smaller risk. There has never been a earthquake recorded in Germany that has been large enough to interfere with German nuclear plants. Utterly madness how afraid people are to something which won't occur. Conflict resources are internationally known to be a factor in war, in contributing to war, and to prolong wars. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is an IS, some warlord in Congo, or Russia. A major tactic dealing with IS was to cut their funding, and while it did take many years, the effect of cutting IS funding is rarely disputed.

ivan_gammel 5y ago
> Utterly madness how afraid people are to something which won't occur. What you are doing here is a perversion of facts and opinions. Nobody is afraid of a nuclear incident caused by an earthquake in Germany. Nobody in this thread was talking about it. The examples of Fukushima or Chernobyl were provided only as examples of unforeseen events, that illustrate why safety must be taken seriously, why any „acceleration“ is dangerous and why actual risks and costs can be higher than some people wish to see. >The risk that continuing buying gas from Russia will cause more war and further destruction is higher than the risk that continuing operations of nuclear power will cause a nuclear accident. Europe will stop buying gas from Russia relatively soon to ensure it has less resources to wage new wars. It is absolutely baseless claim to say that immediate stop will have a significant positive impact.
- belorn 5y ago
  > Germany stopping buying gas now will neither stop the war, nor it will prevent Russian military from receiving money from Russian government Please provide your facts that providing Russia with more funds won't prolong and extend their war in Europe. We can call your assertion a perversion of facts and opinions if you like. It is absolutely fact-less to say that immediate stop will not have a significant positive impact. An opinion one might say. It is a fact that nation do see the purchase of conflict resources as an contributing factor for prolonging wars. Europe might stop buying fossil fuels from Russia in 5-10-20 years from now. It is also a Fact that we don't know if it will be too late, what Russia will do in the mean time, nor how they will react to more sanctions. The risk is that Russia will invade more countries if funding continue is only something which people can estimate, like the risk that a nuclear accident might occur within that time frame. Please provide your crystal ball for inspection.