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This kind of thinking is exactly why the Russian misinformation campaigns have been extremely successful (especially in Russia). Russia doesn't care about the i

This kind of thinking is exactly why the Russian misinformation campaigns have been extremely successful (especially in Russia). Russia doesn't care about the individual outlets as long as they help spread lies, no matter how absurd or obvious. This doesn't have to be done as carefully or subtly as the western world seems to think. Russia is discrediting truth as a concept entirely, the narrative being "we are obviously lying, but so is anyone else". That others might not be lying as much seems to be harder and harder to understand by the targets of these campaigns (based on firsthand witnessing). With objective facts / reporting discredited what's left is opinions. Opinions generated by a carefully managed army of influencers promoting whatever cause is deemed useful (from bloggers to friendly/financed foreign government officials). And this _is_ done with the secrecy and subtlety you'd expect. It might not be possible to have complete objectivity regarding the invasion of Ukraine, but imho a blanket ban of any media with Russian ties would be a heck of a lot better than to let Russia continue to destroy objective reporting, one of the foundations of our modern society.

licebmi__at__ 4y ago
"Manufacturing consent" was written in 1988. Did Russia's campaign against the truth was already happening? When I was growing up, certainly before even RT existed, it was common knowledge that journalist will cover the events according to their own (or bosses) interests. IME (not russian, but also not american), the idea of objective reporting is the anomaly.
fauigerzigerk 4y ago
I think we should try to enforce transparency and make sure that false information can be disputed. If Russia sends armies of trolls to clandestinely influence social media consumers as part of their information warfare operation then we should try to stop that. But if Russia officially publishes its own position under the name of its own news agency or in their government media then we should not censor it and we should not keep it off western platforms where it can be clearly marked and disputed. I want to know how Russia justifies its brutal war of aggression against a neighbour. I fully expect that their justification is full of lies and distortions. But it's truth in the sense that it is in fact how Russia justifies the war. I want to know that truth.

licebmi__at__ 4y ago

"Manufacturing consent" was written in 1988. Did Russia's campaign against the truth was already happening? When I was growing up, certainly before even RT existed, it was common knowledge that journalist will cover the events according to their own (or bosses) interests. IME (not russian, but also not american), the idea of objective reporting is the anomaly.

fauigerzigerk 4y ago

I think we should try to enforce transparency and make sure that false information can be disputed. If Russia sends armies of trolls to clandestinely influence social media consumers as part of their information warfare operation then we should try to stop that. But if Russia officially publishes its own position under the name of its own news agency or in their government media then we should not censor it and we should not keep it off western platforms where it can be clearly marked and disputed. I want to know how Russia justifies its brutal war of aggression against a neighbour. I fully expect that their justification is full of lies and distortions. But it's truth in the sense that it is in fact how Russia justifies the war. I want to know that truth.