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It's more complicated than this. Most working class people aren't even exposed to local politics. I guarantee you that the majority of working class people don'

by archhn 4y ago

It's more complicated than this. Most working class people aren't even exposed to local politics. I guarantee you that the majority of working class people don't even know how or where to vote in local elections. Democracy sounds egalitarian in principle, but in reality, economics on the ground insulates a large number of people from the power process. I get what you are saying about not wanting these clueless people to have a say in how things are run, but they weren't born in a jungle...they were were made into what they are by the system.

alex_sf 4y ago
> Democracy sounds egalitarian in principle, but in reality And your proposed alternative is?
- archhn 4y ago
  As long as we live for material things, there is no alternative--armageddon is guaranteed. This materialistic system naturally causes imbalances which inevitably lead to breakdown. Democracy has always been a dog and pony show where the interests of the rich and powerful are sublimated into a socially acceptable "war of ideals." Behind every issue, some group is playing power politics. Abortion, for example, isn't about the issue in itself, but about subverting traditional GOP values, thereby weakening their platform and making them look bad. We must fundamentally alter human beings in order to avoid doomsday. In particular, we must suppress the life instinct which demmands continual growth or death. If everyone--not just workers-- could be made to be content with just sitting in their houses, the world would be saved.
causality0 4y ago
I'm a working class person. I don't have a bachelor's degree. My pay is hourly, I spend a good portion of my day on my knees with tools in my hands, and I rented until I bought a house last year at the age of 35. I gave a damn. I spent a lot of time living in the same building with a bunch of people who didn't. It wasn't being poor that made half my neighbors dump trash off their balconies and scream at their kids and walk right past graffiti literally three feet from their door. It was not giving a damn. I've struggled my entire life with motivation, but I tell you what, disgust is a good motivator.
- archhn 4y ago
  What an empty circular argument. Maybe they didn't give a damn because...they were living in bad conditions? Maybe they felt like there was no future ahead of them? Your life isn't the success story you think it is. You bought into an overpriced housing market--probably, I don't know where you live--and had to live as a slave for 35 years. You will continue living as a slave as you continue to pay your mortgage to a banking system that is completely antagonistic to your class interests. Sorry man, you were taken as a fool. Enjoy your trophy for being a good compliant slave.

by archhn 4y ago

alex_sf 4y ago

> Democracy sounds egalitarian in principle, but in reality And your proposed alternative is?

archhn 4y ago
As long as we live for material things, there is no alternative--armageddon is guaranteed. This materialistic system naturally causes imbalances which inevitably lead to breakdown. Democracy has always been a dog and pony show where the interests of the rich and powerful are sublimated into a socially acceptable "war of ideals." Behind every issue, some group is playing power politics. Abortion, for example, isn't about the issue in itself, but about subverting traditional GOP values, thereby weakening their platform and making them look bad. We must fundamentally alter human beings in order to avoid doomsday. In particular, we must suppress the life instinct which demmands continual growth or death. If everyone--not just workers-- could be made to be content with just sitting in their houses, the world would be saved.

causality0 4y ago

I'm a working class person. I don't have a bachelor's degree. My pay is hourly, I spend a good portion of my day on my knees with tools in my hands, and I rented until I bought a house last year at the age of 35. I gave a damn. I spent a lot of time living in the same building with a bunch of people who didn't. It wasn't being poor that made half my neighbors dump trash off their balconies and scream at their kids and walk right past graffiti literally three feet from their door. It was not giving a damn. I've struggled my entire life with motivation, but I tell you what, disgust is a good motivator.

archhn 4y ago
What an empty circular argument. Maybe they didn't give a damn because...they were living in bad conditions? Maybe they felt like there was no future ahead of them? Your life isn't the success story you think it is. You bought into an overpriced housing market--probably, I don't know where you live--and had to live as a slave for 35 years. You will continue living as a slave as you continue to pay your mortgage to a banking system that is completely antagonistic to your class interests. Sorry man, you were taken as a fool. Enjoy your trophy for being a good compliant slave.