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Yeah, they call themselves the Azov Battalion. They're open about it. Whether or not that's an actual concern of Russia is debeatable but the nazi presence in U

Yeah, they call themselves the Azov Battalion. They're open about it. Whether or not that's an actual concern of Russia is debeatable but the nazi presence in Ukraine has been largely suppressed by our media so as to not taint the narrative of good vs. evil. As you can imagine it's a very inconvenient truth.

exogeny 5y ago
I think it's more that than no one sane would consider the presence of Nazis as justification for Russian slaughtering innocent civilians.
mickotron 5y ago
And there aren’t any White Supremacist or Nazi groups in Russia that have influence? Or the US? Or Poland, France? Should they all get invaded? It’s a smokescreen, dude.
- decremental 5y ago
  I didn't suggest otherwise or express any interest in the justification for invasion. Merely noted that it's real and that out of convenience is ignored to drive a narrative. The same media will ignore nazis in Ukraine while simultaneously declaring that white nationalism is the greatest threat to democracy in America. Propaganda is used heavily by all sides and the only thing you can do is recognize that and hopefully see through it.
  - sangnoir 5y ago
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/pentagon-report-warns-threat-white-supremacists-inside-military-n1258871 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/pentagon-report-warns-...
  - MrMan 5y ago
    white nationalism is a literal threat to America as I understand it, which is a whole contiguous US that is not at civil war.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  The Azov Battalion is an officially sanctioned ukranian military unit that has been directly involved in fighting pro-russian forces and potentially been involved in war crimes documented by the UN. They absolutely don't justify the invasion of Ukraine and are a smokescreen, but that doesn't mean that they aren't problematic. There is a reason the US blocked military aid to them in 2018.
- hajile 5y ago
  Like many things, the reaction can both be understandable and completely wrong. Russia has many reasons to invade, but that doesn't make it moral or right. Meanwhile, there were stories about the Ukrainian rampant Neo-Nazi problem right up until the past few months when everyone is now suddenly supposed to be okay with the idea. Remember, the Ukrainian Nazis had their own SS divisions (around 90k troops) and butchered countless Jews, Poles, Russians, etc. The US snuck out the Nazi leadership ahead of Russia's takeover because the US had made a deal with the devil in an attempt to counter the USSR under Stalin. While the Nazis were punished and reviled in every other country you can name, they were never purged or hated the same way in Ukraine where they wrapped themselves up in Nationalistic "freedom fighter" rhetoric. If they ever gain power, they'll be just like ISIS or Nazis of old going around butchering dissenters and undesirables of all kinds. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend.
- tigershark 5y ago
  Yeah, strangely I never saw someone speaking about the evil Azov battalion ever mention the Wagner group.
saalweachter 5y ago
... so I'm missing something here, what's wrong with the name "Azov battalion"? I assumed that was just in reference to the Sea of Azov, is there something more insidious there I did not know about?

exogeny 5y ago

I think it's more that than no one sane would consider the presence of Nazis as justification for Russian slaughtering innocent civilians.

mickotron 5y ago

And there aren’t any White Supremacist or Nazi groups in Russia that have influence? Or the US? Or Poland, France? Should they all get invaded? It’s a smokescreen, dude.

decremental 5y ago
I didn't suggest otherwise or express any interest in the justification for invasion. Merely noted that it's real and that out of convenience is ignored to drive a narrative. The same media will ignore nazis in Ukraine while simultaneously declaring that white nationalism is the greatest threat to democracy in America. Propaganda is used heavily by all sides and the only thing you can do is recognize that and hopefully see through it.
- sangnoir 5y ago
  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/pentagon-report-warns-threat-white-supremacists-inside-military-n1258871 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/pentagon-report-warns-...
- MrMan 5y ago
  white nationalism is a literal threat to America as I understand it, which is a whole contiguous US that is not at civil war.
shkkmo 5y ago
The Azov Battalion is an officially sanctioned ukranian military unit that has been directly involved in fighting pro-russian forces and potentially been involved in war crimes documented by the UN. They absolutely don't justify the invasion of Ukraine and are a smokescreen, but that doesn't mean that they aren't problematic. There is a reason the US blocked military aid to them in 2018.
hajile 5y ago
Like many things, the reaction can both be understandable and completely wrong. Russia has many reasons to invade, but that doesn't make it moral or right. Meanwhile, there were stories about the Ukrainian rampant Neo-Nazi problem right up until the past few months when everyone is now suddenly supposed to be okay with the idea. Remember, the Ukrainian Nazis had their own SS divisions (around 90k troops) and butchered countless Jews, Poles, Russians, etc. The US snuck out the Nazi leadership ahead of Russia's takeover because the US had made a deal with the devil in an attempt to counter the USSR under Stalin. While the Nazis were punished and reviled in every other country you can name, they were never purged or hated the same way in Ukraine where they wrapped themselves up in Nationalistic "freedom fighter" rhetoric. If they ever gain power, they'll be just like ISIS or Nazis of old going around butchering dissenters and undesirables of all kinds. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend.
tigershark 5y ago
Yeah, strangely I never saw someone speaking about the evil Azov battalion ever mention the Wagner group.

saalweachter 5y ago

... so I'm missing something here, what's wrong with the name "Azov battalion"? I assumed that was just in reference to the Sea of Azov, is there something more insidious there I did not know about?