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The only real measure of success is "customer satisfaction", and I'd dare to say that the majority of the people of Sweden, UK and US are quite satisfied and so

The only real measure of success is "customer satisfaction", and I'd dare to say that the majority of the people of Sweden, UK and US are quite satisfied and some would have preferred even less measures to be taken...

alephnan 4y ago
> majority of the people of Sweden, UK and US are quite satisfied Did that include the people who died ?
- cameronh90 4y ago
  You can't protect lives at all cost. What's the point of living without quality of life? We certainly don't take the zero risk approach with other aspects of living. Just an anecdote, but I know far more people who are struggling with mental health problems as a direct consequence of covid lockdowns (myself included), and it seems practically impossible to get any reasonable mental health help any more. Even private services are overwhelmed. My partner works in the hospital and some days nearly all admissions are mental health, even during the peak of the second and third waves. I certainly wouldn't have wanted a strict China-style internal lockdown, and the more porous western internal lockdowns didn't seem to make a huge difference anyway. If anything seems to have made a difference, it's travel bans and quarantine hotels (despite WHO claims). However, against Omicron, everything seems useless.
  - bllguo 4y ago
    You are talking about the costs of half-hearted US lockdowns that accomplished the worst of both worlds. Meanwhile China's strict lockdowns allowed them to end said lockdowns extremely quickly. Things like welding doors shut were temporary measures that let them _avoid_ things like lockdown-induced mental problems and overwhelmed medical services. Until Omicron their policies were working splendidly, with life essentially at normal. Even with Omicron it's only Shanghai being drastically affected. Focusing on Shanghai ignores the >1billion other people that strongly approve of Chinese policy and who saw firsthand how their quality of life was _preserved_.
    - sharken 4y ago
      One thing that is left out is the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines Sinovac and Sinopharm. They are simple not good enough to stop COVID, to do that the Chinese regime would have to choose an American vaccine. Which they of course never will do, so one can ask if the Chinese regime really wants the best for their citizens ? https://myacare.com/blog/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines https://myacare.com/blog/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines
      - dirtyid 4y ago
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alephnan 4y ago

> majority of the people of Sweden, UK and US are quite satisfied Did that include the people who died ?

cameronh90 4y ago
You can't protect lives at all cost. What's the point of living without quality of life? We certainly don't take the zero risk approach with other aspects of living. Just an anecdote, but I know far more people who are struggling with mental health problems as a direct consequence of covid lockdowns (myself included), and it seems practically impossible to get any reasonable mental health help any more. Even private services are overwhelmed. My partner works in the hospital and some days nearly all admissions are mental health, even during the peak of the second and third waves. I certainly wouldn't have wanted a strict China-style internal lockdown, and the more porous western internal lockdowns didn't seem to make a huge difference anyway. If anything seems to have made a difference, it's travel bans and quarantine hotels (despite WHO claims). However, against Omicron, everything seems useless.
- bllguo 4y ago
  You are talking about the costs of half-hearted US lockdowns that accomplished the worst of both worlds. Meanwhile China's strict lockdowns allowed them to end said lockdowns extremely quickly. Things like welding doors shut were temporary measures that let them _avoid_ things like lockdown-induced mental problems and overwhelmed medical services. Until Omicron their policies were working splendidly, with life essentially at normal. Even with Omicron it's only Shanghai being drastically affected. Focusing on Shanghai ignores the >1billion other people that strongly approve of Chinese policy and who saw firsthand how their quality of life was _preserved_.
  - sharken 4y ago
    One thing that is left out is the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines Sinovac and Sinopharm. They are simple not good enough to stop COVID, to do that the Chinese regime would have to choose an American vaccine. Which they of course never will do, so one can ask if the Chinese regime really wants the best for their citizens ? https://myacare.com/blog/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines https://myacare.com/blog/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines
    - dirtyid 4y ago
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