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His description of "old internet" and freedom is wrong. The "old internet" was predominantly american ( 90%+ ) and we didn't just want to protect free speech fr
by qiskit 4y ago
His description of "old internet" and freedom is wrong. The "old internet" was predominantly american ( 90%+ ) and we didn't just want to protect free speech from conservatives attacking porn, but from everyone ( soccer moms, woke leftist, europeans, ADL, canadians, etc ).
> it means you're standing up against EVERYONE, because every side is trying to take away the speech rights of the other side.
Exactly. That's why the old internet defaulted to free speech. Because everyone understood that taking their free speech meant my free speech was vulnerable and it was impossible to just censor one and not everyone else.
> It's also where Russia is fighting a real war against us
This nonsense. Just the russians? What about the british, israelis, canadians, australians, saudis, chinese, iranians, etc. Not to mention the biggest threat - our own government. What percentage of foreign propaganda is russian? 1%? Just like all the russian money spent on facebook gave trump the presidency? All $40K was it?
> I want you to pause for a minute and think about your political alignment and whether you're on the left or right of this issue, because you probably think one of those things.
I'm neither and social media clearly leans towards one side.
> Elon is one of those, because he doesn't understand what has happened to internet culture since 2004. Or as I call it, just culture.
The culture was formed by censorship. The social media companies are trying to change culture. Get rid of censorship and we'll see about the culture. If yishan is right, how come real world culture is so different from social media culture? Perhaps because censorship allows a tiny minority to have the most influence/say?
> Facebook's userbase has at various times been left-leaning, then right-leaning, then bifurcated. So has Reddit's. Twitter's also. The social platforms don't care.
Is that why they collectively banned trump. Because they don't care?
> It is because we brought all of our old horrible collective dysfunctions onto the internet
The horrible collective dysfunctions were on the old internet long before social media.
> They are censoring because they are large social platforms, and ideas are POWERFUL and DANGEROUS.
That must be why we censor libraries...
Instead of wasting pages of text and much of our time, he could have been honest and answered in less than 140 characters - "We censor because of money".
The only difference between old internet and new internet is money and shareholders and centralization. The guy talks about everything - culture, russians, old internet, etc but ignores the elephant int the room. Money makes the world go round and money makes social media censor. If you are dependent on ads, you probably will have to conform to money's demands. I do wonder how elon will deal with the problem of money/ads. Though taking the company private and owning it outright should give him more leeway, I doubt he's willing to lose money year after year on twitter.
- JoeJonathan 4y ago> The "old internet" was predominantly american ( 90%+ ) and we didn't just want to protect free speech from conservatives attacking porn, but from everyone ( soccer moms, woke leftist, europeans, ADL, canadians, etc ). No one was concerned with woke leftists in the 90s. No one. "Woke" wasn't a term, and after the fall of the Soviet Union, no one was worried about the corroding influence of leftists, or cultural marxism, or any of the bogeymen that resurfaced over the past decade.
- qiskit 4y ago> No one was concerned with woke leftists in the 90s. No one. "Woke" wasn't a term I know woke wasn't a term. I grew up in the 90s. I just put it in there to emphasize "everyone". Thought people would be butthurt about me adding canadians/europeans, not woke leftist. But the precursors of modern "woke left" certainly existed in the 90s even though they didn't gain the power they did after the 2007 financial crisis.
- neilpointer 4y agoOh wow I had no idea the Woke Leftists ran the banks and private equity firms. Wild.
- qiskit 4y ago
- neilpointer 4y agoah yes, the well-known leftists of the CIA, FBI, and Army. They were playing the long-game murdering all those leftist governments of Central and South America, I guess. Maybe just give a definition of 'woke'?
- specto 4y agoBeen seeing these conspiracy "theories" on HN lately, it's interesting to say the least.