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Well, PIMS / MIS-C at least sometimes seems to affect the liver: „Acute hepatitis is a prominent presentation of the multisystem inflammatory syndrome in child

Well, PIMS / MIS-C at least sometimes seems to affect the liver: „Acute hepatitis is a prominent presentation of the multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children: a single-center report“ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7655704/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7655704/ Maybe having COVID19 is not a good idea in general, even for children.

guilhas 4y ago
No disease is a good idea. It is not like people choose to have them And these cases are very recent, 2022. So based on previous data COVID has not been very dangerous to children Edit: wrongly thought the original article mentioned underlying health conditions. So replies might be unrelated now
- ashildr 4y ago
  So you are saying that children with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk for MIS-C and / or this hepatitis than the rest?
- paulmd 4y ago
  I have repeatedly seen HNers argue that COVID is harmless to children (no qualifiers), and that the cure is worse than the disease. Besides, arguing that COVID is harmless as long as you're not one of the people it harms is just morally and intellectually bankrupt. Yes, clever tautology, but there are real-world consequences for real people here.
  - inter_netuser 4y ago
    >I have repeatedly seen HNers argue that COVID is harmless to children (no qualifiers), and that the cure is worse than the disease. HNers? How about UK's JCVI (Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation), a government advisory panel? "Covid-19: JCVI opts not to recommend universal vaccination of 12-15 year olds" Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2180?ijkey=350e95850073ef40984e8632e1cf4872157288f6&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2180?ijkey=350e95850073... UK JCVI declined to recommend the vaccine on risk/benefit basis. That is a scientific fact that, in your own words, "the cure is worse than the disease" for some. JCVI membership: Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford) Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals) Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford) Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England) Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England) Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust) Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick) Alison Lawrence (lay member) Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital) Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine) Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol) Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands) Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen) Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London) Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol) Professor Jeremy Brown (University College London Hospitals) Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation#membership https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committee-on-vacc... Looking forward to your explanation on how these world-renowed immunologists are spouting tautologies and are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
    - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
      I would say that "the health benefits are marginally greater than the potential known harms.” means not worth the price, but not "the cure is worse than the disease".
TacticalCoder 4y ago
> Maybe having COVID19 is not a good idea in general, even for children. Isn't the estimate now that 60% of the EU population had Covid-19 at least once? The WHO estimate in january was that by march at least 50% of the EU would have had Omicron only. Then you add all the other variants on top of that. I mean: short of locking yourself up forever, you don't really get to decide if you get Covid or not so I don't understand your comment.

guilhas 4y ago

No disease is a good idea. It is not like people choose to have them And these cases are very recent, 2022. So based on previous data COVID has not been very dangerous to children Edit: wrongly thought the original article mentioned underlying health conditions. So replies might be unrelated now

ashildr 4y ago
So you are saying that children with underlying health conditions are at a higher risk for MIS-C and / or this hepatitis than the rest?
paulmd 4y ago
I have repeatedly seen HNers argue that COVID is harmless to children (no qualifiers), and that the cure is worse than the disease. Besides, arguing that COVID is harmless as long as you're not one of the people it harms is just morally and intellectually bankrupt. Yes, clever tautology, but there are real-world consequences for real people here.
- inter_netuser 4y ago
  >I have repeatedly seen HNers argue that COVID is harmless to children (no qualifiers), and that the cure is worse than the disease. HNers? How about UK's JCVI (Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation), a government advisory panel? "Covid-19: JCVI opts not to recommend universal vaccination of 12-15 year olds" Source: https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2180?ijkey=350e95850073ef40984e8632e1cf4872157288f6&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2180?ijkey=350e95850073... UK JCVI declined to recommend the vaccine on risk/benefit basis. That is a scientific fact that, in your own words, "the cure is worse than the disease" for some. JCVI membership: Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford) Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals) Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford) Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England) Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England) Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust) Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick) Alison Lawrence (lay member) Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital) Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine) Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol) Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands) Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen) Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London) Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol) Professor Jeremy Brown (University College London Hospitals) Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation#membership https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committee-on-vacc... Looking forward to your explanation on how these world-renowed immunologists are spouting tautologies and are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
  - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
    I would say that "the health benefits are marginally greater than the potential known harms.” means not worth the price, but not "the cure is worse than the disease".

TacticalCoder 4y ago

> Maybe having COVID19 is not a good idea in general, even for children. Isn't the estimate now that 60% of the EU population had Covid-19 at least once? The WHO estimate in january was that by march at least 50% of the EU would have had Omicron only. Then you add all the other variants on top of that. I mean: short of locking yourself up forever, you don't really get to decide if you get Covid or not so I don't understand your comment.