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Not advertising the fact that you previously signed a non-binding unenforceable noncompete is not lying by omission.

by rosndo 5y ago

cycomanic 5y ago
Except that as we heard from many here, they might very well be binding and enforceable in many states.
- rosndo 5y ago
  >it wasn't an issue of enforceability
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    You literally said a "non-binding, unenforceable" so yes this post was about enforceability. You made a false statement with possible serious repercussions for a person following your advise. Now you backtrack that it wasn't about enforceability?
    - rosndo 5y ago
      What? I replied to a comment saying: >it wasn't an issue of enforceability I’m not backtracking on anything. Are you ok? If it wasn’t an issue of enforceability, I think we can reasonably assume that the noncompete was not enforceable. Unenforceability was the premise of this conversation, and that wasn’t introduced by me.
      - cycomanic 5y ago
        I think you should go back and read over the thread and how your replies can be understood. You replied to someone saying that lying by omission is terrible advice, by saying omitting signing a non-binding unenforceable nocompete is not lying. Yes two levels up someone said the main issue is not enforceability but the uncertainty that it gives potential future employers. So I unterstand you made the leap that the nocompete is unenforceable and therefore no binding. That's a pretty big leap and also ignores the point. Enforceability is typically a grey area and decided by the courts, and therefore there is a risk associated with violating the nocompete (for employee and new employer), and many employers might want to avoid it. If you were referring to the case where the nocompete is clearly illegal (e.g. you're in california), yes there is no uncertainty, but then there is also no issue about disclosing it, because there is no associated risk. In that case I don't understand what you were trying to add to the discussion?
carimura 4y ago
I'm not a lawyer, but having been a hiring manager in tech for 20+ years, "materiality" (whether what you are omitting is material) is in the eye of the beholder (side note: great video game) aka the hiring manager and enforceability of contracts is up to lawyers. Neither of those people are you, in this case. So. I commend you for the fierce independence and protection of your career, but I stand by my statement that parent comment is still awful advice.

Not advertising the fact that you previously signed a non-binding unenforceable noncompete is not lying by omission.

by rosndo 5y ago

Not advertising the fact that you previously signed a non-binding unenforceable noncompete is not lying by omission.

cycomanic 5y ago

Except that as we heard from many here, they might very well be binding and enforceable in many states.

rosndo 5y ago
>it wasn't an issue of enforceability
- cycomanic 5y ago
  You literally said a "non-binding, unenforceable" so yes this post was about enforceability. You made a false statement with possible serious repercussions for a person following your advise. Now you backtrack that it wasn't about enforceability?
  - rosndo 5y ago
    What? I replied to a comment saying: >it wasn't an issue of enforceability I’m not backtracking on anything. Are you ok? If it wasn’t an issue of enforceability, I think we can reasonably assume that the noncompete was not enforceable. Unenforceability was the premise of this conversation, and that wasn’t introduced by me.
    - cycomanic 5y ago
      I think you should go back and read over the thread and how your replies can be understood. You replied to someone saying that lying by omission is terrible advice, by saying omitting signing a non-binding unenforceable nocompete is not lying. Yes two levels up someone said the main issue is not enforceability but the uncertainty that it gives potential future employers. So I unterstand you made the leap that the nocompete is unenforceable and therefore no binding. That's a pretty big leap and also ignores the point. Enforceability is typically a grey area and decided by the courts, and therefore there is a risk associated with violating the nocompete (for employee and new employer), and many employers might want to avoid it. If you were referring to the case where the nocompete is clearly illegal (e.g. you're in california), yes there is no uncertainty, but then there is also no issue about disclosing it, because there is no associated risk. In that case I don't understand what you were trying to add to the discussion?

carimura 4y ago

I'm not a lawyer, but having been a hiring manager in tech for 20+ years, "materiality" (whether what you are omitting is material) is in the eye of the beholder (side note: great video game) aka the hiring manager and enforceability of contracts is up to lawyers. Neither of those people are you, in this case. So. I commend you for the fierce independence and protection of your career, but I stand by my statement that parent comment is still awful advice.