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>Putin isn’t a Nazi. His ideology, in its details, is quite different from that of Nazism. no. Just read his war declaration speech. Classic Nazism. They had "

by trhway 5y ago

>Putin isn’t a Nazi. His ideology, in its details, is quite different from that of Nazism. no. Just read his war declaration speech. Classic Nazism. They had "master race" and inferior "races" of Jews and Slavics. Putin has master nation of Russians and inferior Ukrainians. And he is using that the same was as Hitler as a reason to claim the master race's/nation's right to the territory and to conduct ethnical cleansing and genocide there. >especially when one considers the language policy issue (encouraging the use of Ukrainian language over Russian) The "War and Peace" opens with the scene of an aristocratic party in St.Peterburg where French language - de-facto language of Russian nobility in the years before - is totally banned because of Napoleon invasion.

skissane 5y ago
To Putin, Ukrainians are Russians who have been corrupted by anti-Russian influences into believing themselves to be a different people, and the Ukrainian language is a corrupted form of Russian (Russian with some Polish mixed in) Hitler didn’t see Jews as Germans who had been corrupted into viewing themselves as non-Germans. On the contrary, he insisted full-blooded Jews could never be Germans, no matter how much they wanted to be-even if they completely rejected their Jewish identity. There was a tiny minority of Jews (the Association of German National Jews) who supported Hitler - how did he repay them for their support? He sent them to the camps.
- watwut 5y ago
  I don't know why this is down voted. Imo, it is accurate. Hitler is not the only bad genocidal man in world history. It is super possible for Russia to be fascist, genocidal while also having important differences against Hitlers ideology. Being different then Hitler does not make one good or defensible.
- trhway 5y ago
  >To Putin, Ukrainians are Russians who have been corrupted by anti-Russian influences into believing themselves to be a different people, and the Ukrainian language is a corrupted form of Russian (Russian with some Polish mixed in) That sounds almost benign, like just a minor difference of opinions, when taken that way out of the context. The context though is the declaration that anybody resisting that conversion back to Russian and insisting on being Ukrainian is to be killed. Another, wider context, is the deep contempt (which Russians in theie Great Russia chauvinism fail to notice as well as to acknowledge when pointed out to) Russians have for Ukrainians in general which is well illustrated by usage of "hohly" with various level of offensiveness for example, as well as pretty deep mutual anymosity between Russians and Western Ukrainians. (Note: i grew up in USSR as a Russian by mentality, and i'm half-Ukrainian by blood, so i have some idea what i'm talking about here) Anyway, Nazism isn't about why some are deemed inferior. Nazism is about deeming some inferior and acting violently upon that belief.
  - skissane 5y ago
    People have been doing that for many centuries, even millennia. “Nazism” is a specific ideology which arose in 20th century Germany, not a generic term for violent xenophobia, which is far older than Nazism is.
    - trhway 5y ago
      > not a generic term for violent xenophobia Nazism is when violent xenophobia becomes state ideology. That is invention of the 20th century.
      - skissane 5y ago
        > There, as you know, there were Macedonians and Thracians and Illyrians, all most warlike nations, here Syrians and Asiatic Greeks, the most worthless peoples among mankind and born for slavery. That’s a quote from the Roman general and consul (joint head of state) Manius Acilius Glabrio, in the early 2nd century BCE. The quote is given by the ancient Roman historian Livy - ancient historians often invented speeches for their subjects, so Manius Acilius probably never spoke those exact words, but Livy believed they were an accurate representation of his beliefs. So, rather than being a 20th century Nazi invention, violent xenophobia was the state ideology of the ancient Roman Republic.
        trhway 5y ago
        Roman Empire has a lot of similar aspects - there is a reason why Hitler took so much from the Roman Empire - yet it had imperial ideology, not nazist. To illustrate the difference - if Russia went in Ukraine to get those good agricultural lands or to just expand because supposedly being bigger is better that would be the imperial motive. Tsarist Russia was imperial. USSR is bit more complicated - while it looks to many like imperial, it was an ideology driven totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, just instead of Nazist ideology it had class-based/socialist/communism ideology. And now we come to Putin's Russia - it is a totalitarian state driven by a nazist ideology of Russian "master nation". Unfortunately, even say just a year ago i, like many, wasn't able to recognize Russian Nazism even though it was right into our faces - it looked to me just like strong authoritarianism with imperial ideology colored by Great Russia chauvinism. Today it is pretty clear to me that all the last 22 years, right from the apartment building bombings by FSB in 1999, we had the Russian Nazism rising. It finally dawns on more and more people - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashism

by trhway 5y ago

skissane 5y ago

To Putin, Ukrainians are Russians who have been corrupted by anti-Russian influences into believing themselves to be a different people, and the Ukrainian language is a corrupted form of Russian (Russian with some Polish mixed in) Hitler didn’t see Jews as Germans who had been corrupted into viewing themselves as non-Germans. On the contrary, he insisted full-blooded Jews could never be Germans, no matter how much they wanted to be-even if they completely rejected their Jewish identity. There was a tiny minority of Jews (the Association of German National Jews) who supported Hitler - how did he repay them for their support? He sent them to the camps.

watwut 5y ago
I don't know why this is down voted. Imo, it is accurate. Hitler is not the only bad genocidal man in world history. It is super possible for Russia to be fascist, genocidal while also having important differences against Hitlers ideology. Being different then Hitler does not make one good or defensible.
trhway 5y ago
>To Putin, Ukrainians are Russians who have been corrupted by anti-Russian influences into believing themselves to be a different people, and the Ukrainian language is a corrupted form of Russian (Russian with some Polish mixed in) That sounds almost benign, like just a minor difference of opinions, when taken that way out of the context. The context though is the declaration that anybody resisting that conversion back to Russian and insisting on being Ukrainian is to be killed. Another, wider context, is the deep contempt (which Russians in theie Great Russia chauvinism fail to notice as well as to acknowledge when pointed out to) Russians have for Ukrainians in general which is well illustrated by usage of "hohly" with various level of offensiveness for example, as well as pretty deep mutual anymosity between Russians and Western Ukrainians. (Note: i grew up in USSR as a Russian by mentality, and i'm half-Ukrainian by blood, so i have some idea what i'm talking about here) Anyway, Nazism isn't about why some are deemed inferior. Nazism is about deeming some inferior and acting violently upon that belief.
- skissane 5y ago
  People have been doing that for many centuries, even millennia. “Nazism” is a specific ideology which arose in 20th century Germany, not a generic term for violent xenophobia, which is far older than Nazism is.
  - trhway 5y ago
    > not a generic term for violent xenophobia Nazism is when violent xenophobia becomes state ideology. That is invention of the 20th century.
    - skissane 5y ago
      > There, as you know, there were Macedonians and Thracians and Illyrians, all most warlike nations, here Syrians and Asiatic Greeks, the most worthless peoples among mankind and born for slavery. That’s a quote from the Roman general and consul (joint head of state) Manius Acilius Glabrio, in the early 2nd century BCE. The quote is given by the ancient Roman historian Livy - ancient historians often invented speeches for their subjects, so Manius Acilius probably never spoke those exact words, but Livy believed they were an accurate representation of his beliefs. So, rather than being a 20th century Nazi invention, violent xenophobia was the state ideology of the ancient Roman Republic.
      - trhway 5y ago
        Roman Empire has a lot of similar aspects - there is a reason why Hitler took so much from the Roman Empire - yet it had imperial ideology, not nazist. To illustrate the difference - if Russia went in Ukraine to get those good agricultural lands or to just expand because supposedly being bigger is better that would be the imperial motive. Tsarist Russia was imperial. USSR is bit more complicated - while it looks to many like imperial, it was an ideology driven totalitarian state like Nazi Germany, just instead of Nazist ideology it had class-based/socialist/communism ideology. And now we come to Putin's Russia - it is a totalitarian state driven by a nazist ideology of Russian "master nation". Unfortunately, even say just a year ago i, like many, wasn't able to recognize Russian Nazism even though it was right into our faces - it looked to me just like strong authoritarianism with imperial ideology colored by Great Russia chauvinism. Today it is pretty clear to me that all the last 22 years, right from the apartment building bombings by FSB in 1999, we had the Russian Nazism rising. It finally dawns on more and more people - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashism