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Not really, everybody has known that tanks on their own, unsupported by infantry are incredibly vulnerable to anti-tank missiles since, at least the Yom Kippur

by cwmma 5y ago

Not really, everybody has known that tanks on their own, unsupported by infantry are incredibly vulnerable to anti-tank missiles since, at least the Yom Kippur War (50 years ago) probably longer. The Russians for various reasons didn't and the results were predictable. So no MBTs aren't obsolete they just are very easy to break if you use them wrong. Also there are newer active protection systems that can defeat missiles like the ones being used, the Russian tanks in the invasion either don't have them or don't have the ones that can detect threats from above.

sorokod 5y ago
Actually Yom Kippur war went well for Israel's armour in the north (Golan Heights), the largest tank battle ever if memory serves. Can you reference the relevant active protection systems?
- cwmma 5y ago
  Re: Yom Kippor in the south is where Egyptian anti tank misses did shocking damage to Israeli tanks which caused a lot of people to predict the imminent death of the MBT 50 years ago. The Russian active protection system is called Arena [1] 1. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/arena.htm http://www.military-today.com/tanks/arena.htm
  - sorokod 5y ago
    Looks like a very selective view of the Yom Kippur war given what has happened on the Syrian front and the subsequent development of Israel's own MBT. Can you please share some references to "caused lot of people to predict the imminent death of the MBT 50 years ago" ?
    - cwmma 5y ago
      https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/2sparks98.pdf https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/2sparks98.pdf https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2015/jan_mar/Elmonairy.html https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/201... https://www.baen.com/tanksfuture https://www.baen.com/tanksfuture
      - sorokod 5y ago
        Thanks!
- jdkee 5y ago
  The largest tank battle would be the Battle of Kursk. See https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Kursk https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Kursk

by cwmma 5y ago

sorokod 5y ago

Actually Yom Kippur war went well for Israel's armour in the north (Golan Heights), the largest tank battle ever if memory serves. Can you reference the relevant active protection systems?

cwmma 5y ago
Re: Yom Kippor in the south is where Egyptian anti tank misses did shocking damage to Israeli tanks which caused a lot of people to predict the imminent death of the MBT 50 years ago. The Russian active protection system is called Arena [1] 1. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/arena.htm http://www.military-today.com/tanks/arena.htm
- sorokod 5y ago
  Looks like a very selective view of the Yom Kippur war given what has happened on the Syrian front and the subsequent development of Israel's own MBT. Can you please share some references to "caused lot of people to predict the imminent death of the MBT 50 years ago" ?
  - cwmma 5y ago
    https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/2sparks98.pdf https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/2sparks98.pdf https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/2015/jan_mar/Elmonairy.html https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/earmor/content/issues/201... https://www.baen.com/tanksfuture https://www.baen.com/tanksfuture
    - sorokod 5y ago
      Thanks!
jdkee 5y ago
The largest tank battle would be the Battle of Kursk. See https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Kursk https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Kursk