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I suggest again reading some westerns reports like https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf e

by kkfx 5y ago

I suggest again reading some westerns reports like https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf especially for nazi density and who finance them or https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html for the why those nazis are financed and armed. Beside that "psychological weapons" still have a target, such bombing as described have not. All countries have attacked civilians, did you remember WWII USA in Europe mass bombing even on ally countries? Iraqi ones? French ones in Libya and Siria? NATO Belgrade siege? But their purpose is evident: WWII mass bombing were used to force rich European countries to reconstruct under the Marshall plan agreements a thing would not happen if those countries were not so badly treated, modern bombing in Iraq &c was done for similar reasons, less ample now, but equally in principles: making room for western private companies big earnings. Russia do not have such targets, they are meaningless for them, they do not have the western military-industrial complex, most of their activities are still public in military and health domains, private activities suffer more from sanctions and war than the outcome [1], they advance slowly and methodically clearly to minimize damages in area they want operational under their control. [1] to a point I suspect some western sanctions are negotiated with Putin gov. to hit some oligarchs he dislike...

federoccco 5y ago
You need to understand that there at least tens of thousands of Ukrainians here, on HN, who have a firsthand experience on how “Russian army advances “. Major cities like Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol are shelled with dumb, indiscriminate weapons - Soviet free fall bombs from the 60’s, MLRS with unguided rockets. This stuff is cheap and plenty. There residential areas where hundreds of thousands lived, now completely destroyed. There are videos, photos, everything. Yet you succumb to nice Russians narrative.
- kkfx 5y ago
  I do not see any difference from Russian-speaking Ukrainians with first hand experience in Azov, C14, Svoboda, Pravy Sektor and various western mercenaries against them, that's happen in wars. The point is the military reason behind the action. WWII bombing was mass bombing, with no precision target, '60s missiles are far more precise and absolutely not that cheap nor abundant and there is no military reason to mass using them even if you have a significant stockpile to bomb a residential area if this area is not filled by enemy forces. A practice mercenaries always use in war, regardless of their nationality, because that's the classic asymmetric war. If I succumb to Russian narrative (curious, since I've cited western governmental sources to sustain my claims not TASS or Ria Novosti) you equally succumb to Bernaysian western propaganda. Being from EU BTW my own interest in on the Russian side, our major supplier, fellow European till the Urals (so Moscow included), not on the USA/UK side since those two equally do their best to pick our tech&talentsm put us one against each other (a thing we do remarkably well, shame on us for that) and do countless more or less discrete criminal and not criminal actions against us. The USA after WWII have transformed my home country (Italy) into the Mafiastan just to stop CLN Alta Italia (the major Resistence body of the country) to really becoming a democratic government, the UK help very well fueling corruption (a significant local weakness) by all means and imposing a redesign of public school to form a new kind of citizens unable to reason and act as Citizens. That after the UK itself have funded mussolini to became a dictator, that after Wall Street have founded hitler till the first year of WWII at least. Saying USA an UK obviously I'm talking about their ruling class, not their citizens that equally pay the price of their ruler business against their own interests. Just consider a thing: EU countries can only blame themselves for their status from world superpower to a disaster, BUT Russians never invade US, while we try invading Russia few times, USA and UK and the world their ruling class represent have do so, few times. Even from history we are on opposite sides. And that's history not russian propaganda.

by kkfx 5y ago

federoccco 5y ago

You need to understand that there at least tens of thousands of Ukrainians here, on HN, who have a firsthand experience on how “Russian army advances “. Major cities like Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol are shelled with dumb, indiscriminate weapons - Soviet free fall bombs from the 60’s, MLRS with unguided rockets. This stuff is cheap and plenty. There residential areas where hundreds of thousands lived, now completely destroyed. There are videos, photos, everything. Yet you succumb to nice Russians narrative.

kkfx 5y ago
I do not see any difference from Russian-speaking Ukrainians with first hand experience in Azov, C14, Svoboda, Pravy Sektor and various western mercenaries against them, that's happen in wars. The point is the military reason behind the action. WWII bombing was mass bombing, with no precision target, '60s missiles are far more precise and absolutely not that cheap nor abundant and there is no military reason to mass using them even if you have a significant stockpile to bomb a residential area if this area is not filled by enemy forces. A practice mercenaries always use in war, regardless of their nationality, because that's the classic asymmetric war. If I succumb to Russian narrative (curious, since I've cited western governmental sources to sustain my claims not TASS or Ria Novosti) you equally succumb to Bernaysian western propaganda. Being from EU BTW my own interest in on the Russian side, our major supplier, fellow European till the Urals (so Moscow included), not on the USA/UK side since those two equally do their best to pick our tech&talentsm put us one against each other (a thing we do remarkably well, shame on us for that) and do countless more or less discrete criminal and not criminal actions against us. The USA after WWII have transformed my home country (Italy) into the Mafiastan just to stop CLN Alta Italia (the major Resistence body of the country) to really becoming a democratic government, the UK help very well fueling corruption (a significant local weakness) by all means and imposing a redesign of public school to form a new kind of citizens unable to reason and act as Citizens. That after the UK itself have funded mussolini to became a dictator, that after Wall Street have founded hitler till the first year of WWII at least. Saying USA an UK obviously I'm talking about their ruling class, not their citizens that equally pay the price of their ruler business against their own interests. Just consider a thing: EU countries can only blame themselves for their status from world superpower to a disaster, BUT Russians never invade US, while we try invading Russia few times, USA and UK and the world their ruling class represent have do so, few times. Even from history we are on opposite sides. And that's history not russian propaganda.