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> This is entirely wrong. You can suffer from depression (and anxiety) and attribute it to other things, such as personality traits. Many people think "that's j
by slibhb 5y ago
> This is entirely wrong. You can suffer from depression (and anxiety) and attribute it to other things, such as personality traits. Many people think "that's just me" with those that know them thinking the same. For less acute forms of depression such as dysthymia, that's common. People can think they're entirely normal and they're just not good at certain things.
My post explicitly says the hypothetical man is happy, not that he thinks "that's just me".
If you want to argue against that, you have to define mental illness from a behavoral or functional perspective which I don't think you've done.
- netizen-936824 5y agoWhat if the subject doesn't realise they're unhappy because they've never been happy and have nothing to compare against? Your statements seem to assume everyone has the same perspective to measure against, but in reality people's perspective can be radically different
- slibhb 5y agoLike I said, you can make that argument, but then you need to provide a criterion for saying someone is unhappy. That's where behavioralism or functionalism or something similar comes in. > Your statements seem to assume everyone has the same perspective to measure against, but in reality people's perspective can be radically different On the contrary, I think people have different perspectives. Two people can be in the exact same situation and their subjective feelings can be radically different.
- netizen-936824 5y agoIt seems that we agree We definitely need to make judgements based on both behavior and subjective thought processes rather than just one or the other
- dr_dshiv 5y agoI don’t know of any mental illness that isn’t accompanied by intense mental distress
- chiggsy 5y agoMania.
- dr_dshiv 5y agoBut mania without the downs is basically what we are all going for.
- tsimionescu 5y agoThe grand-parent comment was arguing that this distress can be objectively catalogued by someone other than the patient, and that the patient may themselves be unaware. This does seem to be true for some forms of mental illness, depending on exactly how you define distress. For example, someone going through an episode of mania (such as in bipolard disorder) is typically subjectively extremely happy with their state.
- drdec 5y agoPsychopathy
- dr_dshiv 5y agoBut psychological manipulation without the downsides is basically what we are all going for.