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As someone who has been using reddit and frequenting r/all for over 10 years orso, I dont know what you are talking about. Either make you point, or just don't

As someone who has been using reddit and frequenting r/all for over 10 years orso, I dont know what you are talking about. Either make you point, or just don't make such comments. They add nothing.

Gareth321 5y ago
- stimpson_j_cat 5y ago
  Mine's older than yours and I don't know what you mean, the DNC targeted reddit? Dramatic shift? Reddit started far left (being focused on science and tech) even horse-shoeing to the point where it attracted a big Ron Paul fan base. There was an r/obama before users could make subreddits. It's been heading right or center-right ever since the_donald (2015), r/conservative, etc have gotten so huge, if there's been any political shift. Do you really think you'd regularly see white supremacist content on reddit in 2006 as often as you do now?
  - Izkata 5y ago
    They're referring to Correct the Record, which flooded the site with fake accounts to push narratives that supported the US Democatic party. It was really obvious when something unexpected happened, like that video of Hilary collapsing and having to be pushed into a vehicle during the presidential campaign - for several hours the sockpuppet accounts didn't know what to say so comments from regular users started making it to the top again. (Quick edit, had the wrong organization in mind before)
    - mathgorges 5y ago
      Thanks for citing something! I've been a casual Reddit user since ~2008 and felt very lost in this discussion. In case anyone is in the same boat as me, heres an article on the subject: https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-mil...
    - stimpson_j_cat 5y ago
      That was an SPAC in 2016, OP said "the night of the DNC primary in 2015." I was there for the CTR debacle, the SPAC hasn't existed since 2016(?), do you think they're still funding accounts?
      - Izkata 5y ago
        The DNC primaries started in early 2016, so they're definitely misremembering part of the timeline. If we go by "primaries" and not "2015", then they probably are remembering CTR - it lines up almost exactly to when they started. And yeah, it's probably not them but it definitely feels like something is still going on. In the Chicago subreddit, for example, on anything that touches a politically-charged topic, the comments and votes will be exactly opposite what they might be on a different day.
    - TMWNN 5y ago
      >It was really obvious when something unexpected happened, like that video of Hilary collapsing and having to be pushed into a vehicle during the presidential campaign - for several hours the sockpuppet accounts didn't know what to say so comments from regular users started making it to the top again. Same thing happened after Trump's 2016 election win. For a day or two, it was possible to post something non-leftist to /r/politics without having it be mercilessly downvoted; as if the shills were awaiting orders.
  - lp0_on_fire 5y ago
    > It's been heading right or center-right ever since the_donald (2015), r/conservative, etc have gotten so huge, if there's been any political shift. Wait - you seriously and unironically believe reddit has become _more_ rightwing in the past 7 years?
    - mathgorges 5y ago
      I'm not who you're replying to, but this has been my experience in some communities I enjoy while I've had the opposite experience in others. For example, I used to love /r/conspiracy which is now rather overrun with a particular kind of conspiracy theorist and I no longer feel welcome. Speaking from the gut I'd say more communities have slid to the left than the right, but nearly all of my communities have been more politicized and it reduces the amount I use the service considerably.
- rjh29 5y ago
  My account is 10 years old. I have noticed no shift. But I do not subscribe to any of the popular subreddits, I only subscribe to niche subs, which is clearly the best way to use the site and avoids the issue of political nonsense getting in the way of enjoyable conversation.
- ahzhou 5y ago
  /r/politics has definitely shifted from “OMG Ron Paul It’s Happening Narwhal Bacon!!!111!!” to dominated by progressives, but I think you’re seeing it through rose tinted glasses. After all, /r/atheism was also a default sub. /r/all is populist as ever, but Reddit as a whole has simply fragmented. For politics specifically, non-progressives just live outside of /r/politics. Neoliberals tended to hang out in /r/political discussion, Trump supporters in /r/the_donald, neoconservatives in /r/tuesday, etc.
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z3c0 5y ago
I think one could argue that your comment adds much less to the conversation. It's basically just "you're wrong, because I said so." Maybe - since you have a decade of material to draw from - you could offer a counter-example? I think that would be more conducive to discussion than "don't make such comments."
- mb7733 5y ago
  How can you offer a counter example to such a vague claim?
  - z3c0 5y ago
    With a specific claim demonstrating a contrary phenomenon, one would think. "Vague claims" aren't some rhetorical ace-in-the-hole. They can be argued against, presumably better than "you're wrong, and you should feel bad."
- kehrin 5y ago
  It's far more than that. The OP said "you know exactly what" - and the comment disproved that, by not "knowing exactly what". Also, how is the comment supposed to refute a negative? A negative that wasn't even a claim to begin with but rather a vague gesture towards some conspiracy (?).
  - z3c0 5y ago
    And I am refuting the refutation by "knowing exactly what". Turtles all the way down. Do you see how silly this is yet? The comment you are defending is - logically - about as valid as not saying anything at all, which is exactly what they told the OP to do.
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As someone who has been using reddit and frequenting r/all for over 10 years orso, I dont know what you are talking about. Either make you point, or just don't make such comments. They add nothing.

Gareth321 5y ago

stimpson_j_cat 5y ago
Mine's older than yours and I don't know what you mean, the DNC targeted reddit? Dramatic shift? Reddit started far left (being focused on science and tech) even horse-shoeing to the point where it attracted a big Ron Paul fan base. There was an r/obama before users could make subreddits. It's been heading right or center-right ever since the_donald (2015), r/conservative, etc have gotten so huge, if there's been any political shift. Do you really think you'd regularly see white supremacist content on reddit in 2006 as often as you do now?
- Izkata 5y ago
  They're referring to Correct the Record, which flooded the site with fake accounts to push narratives that supported the US Democatic party. It was really obvious when something unexpected happened, like that video of Hilary collapsing and having to be pushed into a vehicle during the presidential campaign - for several hours the sockpuppet accounts didn't know what to say so comments from regular users started making it to the top again. (Quick edit, had the wrong organization in mind before)
  - mathgorges 5y ago
    Thanks for citing something! I've been a casual Reddit user since ~2008 and felt very lost in this discussion. In case anyone is in the same boat as me, heres an article on the subject: https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-mil...
  - stimpson_j_cat 5y ago
    That was an SPAC in 2016, OP said "the night of the DNC primary in 2015." I was there for the CTR debacle, the SPAC hasn't existed since 2016(?), do you think they're still funding accounts?
    - Izkata 5y ago
      The DNC primaries started in early 2016, so they're definitely misremembering part of the timeline. If we go by "primaries" and not "2015", then they probably are remembering CTR - it lines up almost exactly to when they started. And yeah, it's probably not them but it definitely feels like something is still going on. In the Chicago subreddit, for example, on anything that touches a politically-charged topic, the comments and votes will be exactly opposite what they might be on a different day.
  - TMWNN 5y ago
    >It was really obvious when something unexpected happened, like that video of Hilary collapsing and having to be pushed into a vehicle during the presidential campaign - for several hours the sockpuppet accounts didn't know what to say so comments from regular users started making it to the top again. Same thing happened after Trump's 2016 election win. For a day or two, it was possible to post something non-leftist to /r/politics without having it be mercilessly downvoted; as if the shills were awaiting orders.
- lp0_on_fire 5y ago
  > It's been heading right or center-right ever since the_donald (2015), r/conservative, etc have gotten so huge, if there's been any political shift. Wait - you seriously and unironically believe reddit has become _more_ rightwing in the past 7 years?
  - mathgorges 5y ago
    I'm not who you're replying to, but this has been my experience in some communities I enjoy while I've had the opposite experience in others. For example, I used to love /r/conspiracy which is now rather overrun with a particular kind of conspiracy theorist and I no longer feel welcome. Speaking from the gut I'd say more communities have slid to the left than the right, but nearly all of my communities have been more politicized and it reduces the amount I use the service considerably.
rjh29 5y ago
My account is 10 years old. I have noticed no shift. But I do not subscribe to any of the popular subreddits, I only subscribe to niche subs, which is clearly the best way to use the site and avoids the issue of political nonsense getting in the way of enjoyable conversation.
ahzhou 5y ago
/r/politics has definitely shifted from “OMG Ron Paul It’s Happening Narwhal Bacon!!!111!!” to dominated by progressives, but I think you’re seeing it through rose tinted glasses. After all, /r/atheism was also a default sub. /r/all is populist as ever, but Reddit as a whole has simply fragmented. For politics specifically, non-progressives just live outside of /r/politics. Neoliberals tended to hang out in /r/political discussion, Trump supporters in /r/the_donald, neoconservatives in /r/tuesday, etc.
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z3c0 5y ago

I think one could argue that your comment adds much less to the conversation. It's basically just "you're wrong, because I said so." Maybe - since you have a decade of material to draw from - you could offer a counter-example? I think that would be more conducive to discussion than "don't make such comments."

mb7733 5y ago
How can you offer a counter example to such a vague claim?
- z3c0 5y ago
  With a specific claim demonstrating a contrary phenomenon, one would think. "Vague claims" aren't some rhetorical ace-in-the-hole. They can be argued against, presumably better than "you're wrong, and you should feel bad."
kehrin 5y ago
It's far more than that. The OP said "you know exactly what" - and the comment disproved that, by not "knowing exactly what". Also, how is the comment supposed to refute a negative? A negative that wasn't even a claim to begin with but rather a vague gesture towards some conspiracy (?).
- z3c0 5y ago
  And I am refuting the refutation by "knowing exactly what". Turtles all the way down. Do you see how silly this is yet? The comment you are defending is - logically - about as valid as not saying anything at all, which is exactly what they told the OP to do.
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