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I really hope this could also help revert tinnitus. This is a life wrecking condition that currently has no cure (suicide attempts 9% for women with severe tinn

I really hope this could also help revert tinnitus. This is a life wrecking condition that currently has no cure (suicide attempts 9% for women with severe tinnitus and 5.5% for men).

nanidin 5y ago
9% of women with tinnitus attempt suicide, or 9% of women that attempt suicide have tinnitus? I find it curious since I've had tinnitus since I was very young and it isn't life wrecking - but maybe that's because it is just part of my default life experience.
- Karawebnetwork 5y ago
  "Suicide attempts happened with 9% of women with severe tinnitus."
depressionalt 5y ago
Can people please stop posting this in every tinnitus thread? It’s an actual trigger that makes tinnitus worse for others. There’s nothing useful brought upon by falsely correlating suicidal and tinnitus, and in fact it creates some major negative externalities by making folks have massive tinnitus flare ups or even trigger suicidal ideation.
- Karawebnetwork 5y ago
  Tinnitus is mentionned in the first paragraph of the article. Talking about the suicide rate is usually a simple way to get people who know nothing of the condition to understand how serious it is, most people imagine the faint temporary noise that happens after listening to a loud movie but it's much more worst than that. I grant you, some people who use "trigger warnings" would have added one before talking about suicide rates. I however do not use them outside mental health forums and such.
ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 5y ago
It’s funny to me seeing everyone in this thread acting like tinnitus is the worst shit ever and they’re suffering everyday. Look up Meniere’s disease. It can be so much worse. And yes, I understand that suffering is relative and that there are worse things than Meniere’s disease, thank you.
- Karawebnetwork 5y ago
  It's not a race. I have conditions that are considered worst than tinnitus. Having a lawnmower in my head at all time is not the end of the world. But it's certainly exhausting and sometimes disabilitating. It's meaningless to compare health conditions. What's the worst between something that kills you, something that paralyzes you, something that gives you constant pain and something that triggers constant fear in you? All of them. All of them are the worst to people who suffers from them. Tinnitus is brought up in the article, this is why people are talking about it. Not because it's a condition that is worst than others. Reading about a possible cure is one of the are form of hope someone with tinnitus will ever have.
  - ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 5y ago
    > And yes, I understand that suffering is relative and that there are worse things than Meniere’s disease, thank you.
biggieshellz 5y ago
But you can certainly learn to ignore it. After one particularly loud concert, my ears started to ring, and they have never really stopped. I was depressed, disappointed, and angry with myself for not having taken better care of my ears. But you know what? After 6 months to a year, I habituated to it. I notice the ringing on a super quiet morning in the countryside when there aren't any other sounds, but other than that, it doesn't bother me. I can still listen to music; in fact, that helps mask out the ringing. If you have severe tinnitus, look at getting hearing aids -- they fill back the affected frequencies so your brain doesn't crank up the gain and fill them with the phantom sound. Or look at Tinnitus Retraining Therapy. But most people do habituate to it. What you read online on the tinnitus forums and so forth has selection bias. People post on the forums how terrible things are right after they develop tinnitus, but after they habituate to it, they don't post as much about that.
- AndyPa32 5y ago
  "Certainly" is a wild stretch. That may be true for mild cases, but then there are people out there where the Tinnitus sound is louder than 100 decibel. One cannot learn to ignore that, especially not when it is permanent.
- Karawebnetwork 5y ago
  While you can habituate to it and will after several years, it's still a ghastly condition that can come back and negatively impact you. Personally, I have it since birth and have never experienced silence. Most of the time, I cannot hear it but it's always there lurking behind a thin veil of distractions. I recently caught the covid virus. The symptoms were bad but far from what annoyed me the most from it. The worst is how since I have had it, my tinnitus is back to the forefront of my life and louder than ever. Many people who have managed to ignore their tinnitus will have it come back when they are exhausted, tired, sick, stressed, etc. Being dismissive and saying you can learn to ignore it is not really helpful, this is true of most conditions. This article however offers a tangible cure. Not to be dismissive either but the ringing from hearing music that is too loud is the mildest case most commone case of tinnitus that exists and will often simply reduce by a large margin on its own. Chronic tinnitus is defined as a tinnitus that lasts more than six months. In my case, it's at the level of a lawnmower behind a thin wall when at it's worst and mosquito near the ear when at it's mildest. In some other cases, it's car engine and even jet engine level. To me your message (while probably not on purpose) comes across like someone with an amputated finger talking to someone with two amputated legs about how you can learn to live with it (especially with the talk about selection bias, which is useful when looking at trends but not when talking to individuals). Yes you can control it and yes it's the same medical condition. But it's not the same beast.

I really hope this could also help revert tinnitus. This is a life wrecking condition that currently has no cure (suicide attempts 9% for women with severe tinnitus and 5.5% for men).

nanidin 5y ago

9% of women with tinnitus attempt suicide, or 9% of women that attempt suicide have tinnitus? I find it curious since I've had tinnitus since I was very young and it isn't life wrecking - but maybe that's because it is just part of my default life experience.

Karawebnetwork 5y ago
"Suicide attempts happened with 9% of women with severe tinnitus."

depressionalt 5y ago

Can people please stop posting this in every tinnitus thread? It’s an actual trigger that makes tinnitus worse for others. There’s nothing useful brought upon by falsely correlating suicidal and tinnitus, and in fact it creates some major negative externalities by making folks have massive tinnitus flare ups or even trigger suicidal ideation.

Karawebnetwork 5y ago
Tinnitus is mentionned in the first paragraph of the article. Talking about the suicide rate is usually a simple way to get people who know nothing of the condition to understand how serious it is, most people imagine the faint temporary noise that happens after listening to a loud movie but it's much more worst than that. I grant you, some people who use "trigger warnings" would have added one before talking about suicide rates. I however do not use them outside mental health forums and such.

ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 5y ago

It’s funny to me seeing everyone in this thread acting like tinnitus is the worst shit ever and they’re suffering everyday. Look up Meniere’s disease. It can be so much worse. And yes, I understand that suffering is relative and that there are worse things than Meniere’s disease, thank you.

Karawebnetwork 5y ago
It's not a race. I have conditions that are considered worst than tinnitus. Having a lawnmower in my head at all time is not the end of the world. But it's certainly exhausting and sometimes disabilitating. It's meaningless to compare health conditions. What's the worst between something that kills you, something that paralyzes you, something that gives you constant pain and something that triggers constant fear in you? All of them. All of them are the worst to people who suffers from them. Tinnitus is brought up in the article, this is why people are talking about it. Not because it's a condition that is worst than others. Reading about a possible cure is one of the are form of hope someone with tinnitus will ever have.
- ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 5y ago
  > And yes, I understand that suffering is relative and that there are worse things than Meniere’s disease, thank you.

biggieshellz 5y ago

But you can certainly learn to ignore it. After one particularly loud concert, my ears started to ring, and they have never really stopped. I was depressed, disappointed, and angry with myself for not having taken better care of my ears. But you know what? After 6 months to a year, I habituated to it. I notice the ringing on a super quiet morning in the countryside when there aren't any other sounds, but other than that, it doesn't bother me. I can still listen to music; in fact, that helps mask out the ringing. If you have severe tinnitus, look at getting hearing aids -- they fill back the affected frequencies so your brain doesn't crank up the gain and fill them with the phantom sound. Or look at Tinnitus Retraining Therapy. But most people do habituate to it. What you read online on the tinnitus forums and so forth has selection bias. People post on the forums how terrible things are right after they develop tinnitus, but after they habituate to it, they don't post as much about that.

AndyPa32 5y ago
"Certainly" is a wild stretch. That may be true for mild cases, but then there are people out there where the Tinnitus sound is louder than 100 decibel. One cannot learn to ignore that, especially not when it is permanent.
Karawebnetwork 5y ago
While you can habituate to it and will after several years, it's still a ghastly condition that can come back and negatively impact you. Personally, I have it since birth and have never experienced silence. Most of the time, I cannot hear it but it's always there lurking behind a thin veil of distractions. I recently caught the covid virus. The symptoms were bad but far from what annoyed me the most from it. The worst is how since I have had it, my tinnitus is back to the forefront of my life and louder than ever. Many people who have managed to ignore their tinnitus will have it come back when they are exhausted, tired, sick, stressed, etc. Being dismissive and saying you can learn to ignore it is not really helpful, this is true of most conditions. This article however offers a tangible cure. Not to be dismissive either but the ringing from hearing music that is too loud is the mildest case most commone case of tinnitus that exists and will often simply reduce by a large margin on its own. Chronic tinnitus is defined as a tinnitus that lasts more than six months. In my case, it's at the level of a lawnmower behind a thin wall when at it's worst and mosquito near the ear when at it's mildest. In some other cases, it's car engine and even jet engine level. To me your message (while probably not on purpose) comes across like someone with an amputated finger talking to someone with two amputated legs about how you can learn to live with it (especially with the talk about selection bias, which is useful when looking at trends but not when talking to individuals). Yes you can control it and yes it's the same medical condition. But it's not the same beast.