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Most of the time it is time and/or money. Vulins found every other day in some obscure package you thought you were one and done with. You get to spend a coup

Most of the time it is time and/or money. Vulins found every other day in some obscure package you thought you were one and done with. You get to spend a couple of hours fixing it. Oh new update on the java core you are using few more hours. Oh that update breaks 2-3 things. More time. You float the idea that someone else takes it. But those who step up have 'other ideas' what they want the site to be. Oh and your base OS is 2 releases back better get on that. Then the actual cost. While you can get a cheap site up and going for not much. If you get even slightly popular you are now looking at a decent amount of money for many people. You may not see a couple hundred a month as 'no big deal' but many people do. You can pay a provider to take some of that patching work out of your hands but you pay for that. The programming world is very ephemeral. We get bored easy. We move on quickly. Sometimes we are just cheapos. Things that cost time and money get left to rot or turned off. What I find interesting in my 'internet' life. Is I always seem to find out about the really interesting places as they are being closed out :(

mattlondon 4y ago
This is where static sites help a lot. No maintenance upkeep, minimal server costs.
- rmbyrro 4y ago
  Not even server these days. One can dump it on S3, configure a CDN in front of it and pay pennies a month to never have to think about it again...
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Even having to pay pennies a month is something that has to be maintained (do you remember to update your credit card info, are the emails correct, etc). It would be nice for something like the Internet Archive to offer "perpetual hosting" where you pay upfront for enough to fund hosting "forever". $100 would generate $1 a year in interest which would be enough to host small data.
    - MandieD 4y ago
      Surprisingly, endowedhosting.com was available, so I bought it. If IA or comparable ever decided to offer such a service, I’d happily hand the name over to them.
      - DonHopkins 4y ago
        How about enrapturedhosting.com? https://www.wired.com/2008/06/service-lets-yo/ https://www.wired.com/2008/06/service-lets-yo/ >Website Lets You Send a Post-Rapture E-Mail to Friends 'Left Behind' >If millions of Christians suddenly disappear from the face of the Earth as the opening act for Armageddon, Threat Level thinks most nonbelievers will be too busy freaking the hell out to check their e-mail. But if they do log in, now they can be treated to some post-Rapture needling from their missing friends and loved ones, courtesy of web startup YouveBeenLeftBehind.com. [...] Good thing the sysadmins are loving trustworthy Christians: >Users can also upload up to 150 megabytes of documents, which will be protected by an unidentified encryption algorithm until the Rapture, then released to up to 12 nonbelievers of your choice. The site recommends that you use that storage to house sensitive financial information. >"In the encrypted portion of your account you can give them access to your banking, brokerage, hidden valuables, and powers of attorneys," the site says. "There won't be any bodies, so probate court will take seven years to clear your assets to your next of kin. Seven years, of course, is all the time that will be left. So, basically the Government of the Antichrist gets your stuff, unless you make it available in another way." There was a pretty good Law and Order episode where one of those sites accidentally triggered, sent an email confessing to somebody's crimes prematurely, which led to an unfortunate chain of events and salty remarks. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343619/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343619/ >The owner of a Rapture website is killed by a man working to return Soviet Jews to Israel to fulfill Biblical prophecy. However, the killer seeks shelter at the Iranian embassy, leaving the DA's office in an unenviable position. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS19E14Rapture https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS19E... >Van Buren wonders why the emails were sent at all. "Yeah, but the Rapture didn't occur." "As far as we can tell." "I'm still here." "You mentioned." —Anita Van Buren, Cyrus Lupo, and Kevin Bernard
    - 4y ago
  - sumtechguy 4y ago
    Do not disagree at all... It is just setting it up. Also sometimes people just lose interest in it. Even a couple of bucks a month would be not worth it. Then if you stand it up and 'forget about it'. What happens when your CC expires? It goes away. You do not care anymore so it is probably not something you care to fix. For me 50-100 bucks a year is not something that is that big of deal. But if I have totally lost interest in it. It would be on the list of expenses to get rid of. It is one of those things a lot of clean up your financial problems people talk about. Look at all of those little charges. They add up to decent money sometimes. Not saying that happened here. But it probably does happen?
    - rmbyrro 4y ago
      AWS allows you to pay in advance. [1] A static website hosted on AWS S3 and CloudFront would need to serve a LOT of traffic to generate a $100 bill per year. But if you pre-pay for the next 50 years, will AWS exist until there? Will the internet exist? Would Putin have already f** humanity up before that? Hard to guarantee... [1] https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/prepay-services/ https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/prepa...
BrS96bVxXBLzf5B 4y ago
> Then the actual cost. While you can get a cheap site up and going for not much. If you get even slightly popular you are now looking at a decent amount of money for many people. You may not see a couple hundred a month as 'no big deal' but many people do. You can pay a provider to take some of that patching work out of your hands but you pay for that. Agree with the whole message and tone of your comment but wondering about this bit. We run a bunch of Wordpress sites with decent traffic and a bunch of badly optimised front-end, heaps of old plugins from decades passed: we can hit 20k uniques and a million requests per day, with nightly backups for $30/mo. It could be less if we didn't care about completely surviving every traffic spike and bot crawl.
- ElevenLathe 4y ago
  $30/month indefinitely adds up pretty fast. It's $360/yr or $18,000 over 50 years. It feels like pocket change to someone with stable IT employment, but it shuts out a fair chunk of the population.
  - BrS96bVxXBLzf5B 4y ago
    Definitely expensive for an individual or small group which is why I emphasised agreement with the message. The question was specifically about the cost estimate they gave. Edit: Re-reading what I wrote and how much I quoted I realise now that wasn't clear :)
    - sumtechguy 4y ago
      uh... Not sure where you got that I had a cost estimate? My point was time and money. If they do not have time or interest for something any amount of money is probably too much. That was sort of my point that I had time to think about it.

mattlondon 4y ago

This is where static sites help a lot. No maintenance upkeep, minimal server costs.

rmbyrro 4y ago
Not even server these days. One can dump it on S3, configure a CDN in front of it and pay pennies a month to never have to think about it again...
- bombcar 4y ago
  Even having to pay pennies a month is something that has to be maintained (do you remember to update your credit card info, are the emails correct, etc). It would be nice for something like the Internet Archive to offer "perpetual hosting" where you pay upfront for enough to fund hosting "forever". $100 would generate $1 a year in interest which would be enough to host small data.
  - MandieD 4y ago
    Surprisingly, endowedhosting.com was available, so I bought it. If IA or comparable ever decided to offer such a service, I’d happily hand the name over to them.
    - DonHopkins 4y ago
      How about enrapturedhosting.com? https://www.wired.com/2008/06/service-lets-yo/ https://www.wired.com/2008/06/service-lets-yo/ >Website Lets You Send a Post-Rapture E-Mail to Friends 'Left Behind' >If millions of Christians suddenly disappear from the face of the Earth as the opening act for Armageddon, Threat Level thinks most nonbelievers will be too busy freaking the hell out to check their e-mail. But if they do log in, now they can be treated to some post-Rapture needling from their missing friends and loved ones, courtesy of web startup YouveBeenLeftBehind.com. [...] Good thing the sysadmins are loving trustworthy Christians: >Users can also upload up to 150 megabytes of documents, which will be protected by an unidentified encryption algorithm until the Rapture, then released to up to 12 nonbelievers of your choice. The site recommends that you use that storage to house sensitive financial information. >"In the encrypted portion of your account you can give them access to your banking, brokerage, hidden valuables, and powers of attorneys," the site says. "There won't be any bodies, so probate court will take seven years to clear your assets to your next of kin. Seven years, of course, is all the time that will be left. So, basically the Government of the Antichrist gets your stuff, unless you make it available in another way." There was a pretty good Law and Order episode where one of those sites accidentally triggered, sent an email confessing to somebody's crimes prematurely, which led to an unfortunate chain of events and salty remarks. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343619/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343619/ >The owner of a Rapture website is killed by a man working to return Soviet Jews to Israel to fulfill Biblical prophecy. However, the killer seeks shelter at the Iranian embassy, leaving the DA's office in an unenviable position. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS19E14Rapture https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS19E... >Van Buren wonders why the emails were sent at all. "Yeah, but the Rapture didn't occur." "As far as we can tell." "I'm still here." "You mentioned." —Anita Van Buren, Cyrus Lupo, and Kevin Bernard
  - 4y ago
- sumtechguy 4y ago
  Do not disagree at all... It is just setting it up. Also sometimes people just lose interest in it. Even a couple of bucks a month would be not worth it. Then if you stand it up and 'forget about it'. What happens when your CC expires? It goes away. You do not care anymore so it is probably not something you care to fix. For me 50-100 bucks a year is not something that is that big of deal. But if I have totally lost interest in it. It would be on the list of expenses to get rid of. It is one of those things a lot of clean up your financial problems people talk about. Look at all of those little charges. They add up to decent money sometimes. Not saying that happened here. But it probably does happen?
  - rmbyrro 4y ago
    AWS allows you to pay in advance. [1] A static website hosted on AWS S3 and CloudFront would need to serve a LOT of traffic to generate a $100 bill per year. But if you pre-pay for the next 50 years, will AWS exist until there? Will the internet exist? Would Putin have already f** humanity up before that? Hard to guarantee... [1] https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/prepay-services/ https://aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/prepa...

BrS96bVxXBLzf5B 4y ago

> Then the actual cost. While you can get a cheap site up and going for not much. If you get even slightly popular you are now looking at a decent amount of money for many people. You may not see a couple hundred a month as 'no big deal' but many people do. You can pay a provider to take some of that patching work out of your hands but you pay for that. Agree with the whole message and tone of your comment but wondering about this bit. We run a bunch of Wordpress sites with decent traffic and a bunch of badly optimised front-end, heaps of old plugins from decades passed: we can hit 20k uniques and a million requests per day, with nightly backups for $30/mo. It could be less if we didn't care about completely surviving every traffic spike and bot crawl.

ElevenLathe 4y ago
$30/month indefinitely adds up pretty fast. It's $360/yr or $18,000 over 50 years. It feels like pocket change to someone with stable IT employment, but it shuts out a fair chunk of the population.
- BrS96bVxXBLzf5B 4y ago
  Definitely expensive for an individual or small group which is why I emphasised agreement with the message. The question was specifically about the cost estimate they gave. Edit: Re-reading what I wrote and how much I quoted I realise now that wasn't clear :)
  - sumtechguy 4y ago
    uh... Not sure where you got that I had a cost estimate? My point was time and money. If they do not have time or interest for something any amount of money is probably too much. That was sort of my point that I had time to think about it.