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No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. If you copy your colleague's work at your FAANG job and claim it as your own, you will

by throwaway_1928 5y ago

No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. If you copy your colleague's work at your FAANG job and claim it as your own, you will be in trouble. If a contemporary politician claims he has come up with this novel idea where decisions can be made with "majority vote", he will be mocked out of the room. And so on.

brigandish 5y ago
> No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. Please show me how it would be important to Patanjali, or even how it will reduce the good the techniques bring, how it will negatively impacted yoga teachers, or something other than FAANG jobs, politicians and academia that simply aren't relevant to this discussion.
- rajup 5y ago
  I'm not sure why you keep focusing on Patanjali, who I'll concede is beyond caring about this. But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them. I'm not sure why that reason is not good enough for you? Are you the kind of person who goes trespassing in sacred native lands in Hawaii or anywhere else, because after all the elders are all dead?
  - brigandish 4y ago
    I’m not the kind of person who engages in cheap ad hominem with someone they’re in discussion with, that’s what I do know. > I'm not sure why you keep focusing on PatanjalI He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. > But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? Ridiculous. They’re an idea anyway, even if they were “invented” today they couldn’t be copyrighted. This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it.
    - rajup 4y ago
      > Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? I believe so yes. Not sure what you mean by “actually” practice but I assure you many many people in india practice it. > He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. I don’t think I ever mentioned plagiarism, you probably have me confused with someone else. > Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. The fact that you’re even asking this question tells me more about your unchecked privilege than anything else. And re nationalism: no thanks we don’t need outsiders telling us what we should be thinking, we had 2 centuries of that, don’t care for it much. > This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it. Sounds good, I wish you well.
      - brigandish 4y ago
        > > Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? > I believe so yes. Should I wait for some reasoning to back that up or do I have to ask? If I ask will I get an answer? > Not sure what you mean by “actually” practice People who practice it versus people who don't, like the average Indian. > but I assure you many many people in india practice it. Many people who are not Indian practise yoga - why does the average Indian have more claim to it than these people? Would Patanjali think they do? > I don’t think I ever mentioned plagiarism, you probably have me confused with someone else. This is the thread you're on[1], do you have it confused with another? > The fact that you’re even asking this question tells me more about your unchecked privilege than anything else. Again, no answer, just ad hominem. Why do they care more than Patanjali? > And re nationalism: no thanks we don’t need outsiders telling us what we should be thinking, we had 2 centuries of that, don’t care for it much. Poe's Law comes to mind. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31036720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31036720
        4y ago

brigandish 5y ago

> No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. Please show me how it would be important to Patanjali, or even how it will reduce the good the techniques bring, how it will negatively impacted yoga teachers, or something other than FAANG jobs, politicians and academia that simply aren't relevant to this discussion.

rajup 5y ago
I'm not sure why you keep focusing on Patanjali, who I'll concede is beyond caring about this. But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them. I'm not sure why that reason is not good enough for you? Are you the kind of person who goes trespassing in sacred native lands in Hawaii or anywhere else, because after all the elders are all dead?
- brigandish 4y ago
  I’m not the kind of person who engages in cheap ad hominem with someone they’re in discussion with, that’s what I do know. > I'm not sure why you keep focusing on PatanjalI He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. > But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? Ridiculous. They’re an idea anyway, even if they were “invented” today they couldn’t be copyrighted. This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it.
  - rajup 4y ago
    > Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? I believe so yes. Not sure what you mean by “actually” practice but I assure you many many people in india practice it. > He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. I don’t think I ever mentioned plagiarism, you probably have me confused with someone else. > Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. The fact that you’re even asking this question tells me more about your unchecked privilege than anything else. And re nationalism: no thanks we don’t need outsiders telling us what we should be thinking, we had 2 centuries of that, don’t care for it much. > This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it. Sounds good, I wish you well.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      > > Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? > I believe so yes. Should I wait for some reasoning to back that up or do I have to ask? If I ask will I get an answer? > Not sure what you mean by “actually” practice People who practice it versus people who don't, like the average Indian. > but I assure you many many people in india practice it. Many people who are not Indian practise yoga - why does the average Indian have more claim to it than these people? Would Patanjali think they do? > I don’t think I ever mentioned plagiarism, you probably have me confused with someone else. This is the thread you're on[1], do you have it confused with another? > The fact that you’re even asking this question tells me more about your unchecked privilege than anything else. Again, no answer, just ad hominem. Why do they care more than Patanjali? > And re nationalism: no thanks we don’t need outsiders telling us what we should be thinking, we had 2 centuries of that, don’t care for it much. Poe's Law comes to mind. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31036720 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31036720
      - 4y ago