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You're missing the point. Even if Linux were not subject to a license, a person claiming to have invented an operating system who in reality simply forked Linu

by throwaway_1928 5y ago

You're missing the point. Even if Linux were not subject to a license, a person claiming to have invented an operating system who in reality simply forked Linux without giving appropriate credit would be considered a plagiarist. And to expect a sagacious progenitor of a millennia-old practice like Pranayama to have considered modern-day legal protections is absurd.

brigandish 5y ago
> And to expect a sagacious progenitor of a millennia-old practice like Pranayama to have considered modern-day legal protections is absurd. Yes, reductio ad absurdum was the point. > Even if Linux were not subject to a license, a person claiming to have invented an operating system who in reality simply forked Linux without giving appropriate credit would be considered a plagiarist. To consider "modern-day legal protections is absurd" but forking an operating system is what? I'd go for special pleading. But to the point. Plagiarism is important in academic circles, it is not for breathing techniques, whether given by yogis or not. *Please show me why Patanjali would care, if he would not then why should anyone else?*
- throwaway_1928 5y ago
  No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. If you copy your colleague's work at your FAANG job and claim it as your own, you will be in trouble. If a contemporary politician claims he has come up with this novel idea where decisions can be made with "majority vote", he will be mocked out of the room. And so on.
  - brigandish 5y ago
    > No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. Please show me how it would be important to Patanjali, or even how it will reduce the good the techniques bring, how it will negatively impacted yoga teachers, or something other than FAANG jobs, politicians and academia that simply aren't relevant to this discussion.
    - rajup 5y ago
      I'm not sure why you keep focusing on Patanjali, who I'll concede is beyond caring about this. But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them. I'm not sure why that reason is not good enough for you? Are you the kind of person who goes trespassing in sacred native lands in Hawaii or anywhere else, because after all the elders are all dead?
      - brigandish 5y ago
        I’m not the kind of person who engages in cheap ad hominem with someone they’re in discussion with, that’s what I do know. > I'm not sure why you keep focusing on PatanjalI He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. > But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? Ridiculous. They’re an idea anyway, even if they were “invented” today they couldn’t be copyrighted. This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it.
        rajup 4y ago
        > Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? I believe so yes. Not sure what you mean by “actually” practice but I assure you many many people in india practice it. > He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. I don’t think I ever mentioned plagiarism, you probably have me confused with someone else. > Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. The fact that you’re even asking this question tells me more about your unchecked privilege than anything else. And re nationalism: no thanks we don’t need outsiders telling us what we should be thinking, we had 2 centuries of that, don’t care for it much. > This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it. Sounds good, I wish you well.

brigandish 5y ago

> And to expect a sagacious progenitor of a millennia-old practice like Pranayama to have considered modern-day legal protections is absurd. Yes, reductio ad absurdum was the point. > Even if Linux were not subject to a license, a person claiming to have invented an operating system who in reality simply forked Linux without giving appropriate credit would be considered a plagiarist. To consider "modern-day legal protections is absurd" but forking an operating system is what? I'd go for special pleading. But to the point. Plagiarism is important in academic circles, it is not for breathing techniques, whether given by yogis or not. *Please show me why Patanjali would care, if he would not then why should anyone else?*

throwaway_1928 5y ago
No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. If you copy your colleague's work at your FAANG job and claim it as your own, you will be in trouble. If a contemporary politician claims he has come up with this novel idea where decisions can be made with "majority vote", he will be mocked out of the room. And so on.
- brigandish 5y ago
  > No, plagiarism is important in every circle, not just academic circles. Please show me how it would be important to Patanjali, or even how it will reduce the good the techniques bring, how it will negatively impacted yoga teachers, or something other than FAANG jobs, politicians and academia that simply aren't relevant to this discussion.
  - rajup 5y ago
    I'm not sure why you keep focusing on Patanjali, who I'll concede is beyond caring about this. But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them. I'm not sure why that reason is not good enough for you? Are you the kind of person who goes trespassing in sacred native lands in Hawaii or anywhere else, because after all the elders are all dead?
    - brigandish 5y ago
      I’m not the kind of person who engages in cheap ad hominem with someone they’re in discussion with, that’s what I do know. > I'm not sure why you keep focusing on PatanjalI He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. > But the people from his culture and civilization who ARE alive today do not want to see his works (some who consider it sacred) associated with "beer" or "goats" or commercialized without proper credit and respect, and it is important to them Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? Ridiculous. They’re an idea anyway, even if they were “invented” today they couldn’t be copyrighted. This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it.
      - rajup 4y ago
        > Does the average Indian get more claim over yogic techniques than those of other nationalities who actually practice them? I believe so yes. Not sure what you mean by “actually” practice but I assure you many many people in india practice it. > He’s the one whose techniques are (allegedly) being plagiarised, it’s abundantly clear to anyone who’s not busy trying to avoid the central point and instead engaging in ad hominem. I don’t think I ever mentioned plagiarism, you probably have me confused with someone else. > Why do they care more than Patanjali? Why does being Indian matter when yoga is implicitly non-national? Nationalism, a disease which India currently appears riddled with, is a specious line of reasoning. The fact that you’re even asking this question tells me more about your unchecked privilege than anything else. And re nationalism: no thanks we don’t need outsiders telling us what we should be thinking, we had 2 centuries of that, don’t care for it much. > This whole line of argument is absurd, and I might be in a better mood to entertain them if you cut out the ad hominem, but I doubt it. Sounds good, I wish you well.