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I think the missile attack is much worse. They just lost 1) a flagship, 2) named "Moskva", 3) to a country with no navy, and 4) no airforce capable of carrying

I think the missile attack is much worse. They just lost 1) a flagship, 2) named "Moskva", 3) to a country with no navy, and 4) no airforce capable of carrying anti-ship missiles. Bonus points: 1) parallels with Tsushima, and 2) the fact that this was the "russian warship" from the meme, and that it went precisely where it was told.

shmerl 4y ago
Both are pretty bad. Navy which flagships blow up becasue of poor maintenance is a laughing stock, especially when it's not even capable of building a new one.
mlindner 4y ago
I'll also add for one more piece of irony that the "Moskva" used to be called the "Slava", and was built in Mykolaiv in Ukraine (when it was part of the Soviet Union). In fact Russia as a country now has no shipyards capable of building anything larger than frigates, so this missile cruiser is actually something beyond the technology of Russia to produce right now. All of the Soviet Union's (and Russia's) aircraft carriers were in fact built in Mykolaiv as well for example. Their main class of Aircraft Carrier in the cold war was the "Kiev" (Kyiv) class.
- yread 4y ago
  And the engines were built in Zaporozhie also in Ukraine. Just like smoking Kuznetsov's engines.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Well, a lot of Soviet military, naval and aerospace tech that's now used by Russia was developed and built in what is now Ukraine. They had many top design bureaus there. Which is why Russia felt cheated for having an independent Ukraine that's not a Russian puppet state as it meant the loss of highly important defense supply chains.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    > Which is why Russia felt cheated for having an independent Ukraine that's not a Russian puppet state as it meant the loss of highly important defense supply chains. It wasn't a loss until Russia occupied Crimea and the Donbas, before that there was extensive collaboration, even after the fall of Yanukovich. Instead of having the vital supply chains in a non-puppet but relatively friendly neighbor, they cut their own noses off to spite Ukraine and lost access to stuff like marine engines they simply can't replace.
kmonsen 4y ago
5) this was a missile cruiser designed to give air cover to other ships. There is no way two Ukrainian modules are supposed to go through it’s air cover. I read the send TB2’s along to overwhelm the air defenses, but this is just utterly embarrassing.
dmitriid 4y ago
They nearly burned down their only Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and the dock where it was undergoing repairs just two years ago. Being hit by enemy missiles is an improvment.

shmerl 4y ago

Both are pretty bad. Navy which flagships blow up becasue of poor maintenance is a laughing stock, especially when it's not even capable of building a new one.

mlindner 4y ago

I'll also add for one more piece of irony that the "Moskva" used to be called the "Slava", and was built in Mykolaiv in Ukraine (when it was part of the Soviet Union). In fact Russia as a country now has no shipyards capable of building anything larger than frigates, so this missile cruiser is actually something beyond the technology of Russia to produce right now. All of the Soviet Union's (and Russia's) aircraft carriers were in fact built in Mykolaiv as well for example. Their main class of Aircraft Carrier in the cold war was the "Kiev" (Kyiv) class.

yread 4y ago
And the engines were built in Zaporozhie also in Ukraine. Just like smoking Kuznetsov's engines.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Well, a lot of Soviet military, naval and aerospace tech that's now used by Russia was developed and built in what is now Ukraine. They had many top design bureaus there. Which is why Russia felt cheated for having an independent Ukraine that's not a Russian puppet state as it meant the loss of highly important defense supply chains.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Which is why Russia felt cheated for having an independent Ukraine that's not a Russian puppet state as it meant the loss of highly important defense supply chains. It wasn't a loss until Russia occupied Crimea and the Donbas, before that there was extensive collaboration, even after the fall of Yanukovich. Instead of having the vital supply chains in a non-puppet but relatively friendly neighbor, they cut their own noses off to spite Ukraine and lost access to stuff like marine engines they simply can't replace.

kmonsen 4y ago

5) this was a missile cruiser designed to give air cover to other ships. There is no way two Ukrainian modules are supposed to go through it’s air cover. I read the send TB2’s along to overwhelm the air defenses, but this is just utterly embarrassing.

dmitriid 4y ago

They nearly burned down their only Kuznetsov aircraft carrier and the dock where it was undergoing repairs just two years ago. Being hit by enemy missiles is an improvment.