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I do not count Thinkpad as open enough to be in the same segment anymore. I have owned many generations of them and some are still in use but will not be gettin

by 3np 5y ago

I do not count Thinkpad as open enough to be in the same segment anymore. I have owned many generations of them and some are still in use but will not be getting a newer one the way things look now. One practical aspect is how they are very inconsistent in making crucial firmware updates available. In theory, they're on fwupd/LVFS. In practice, that can lag behind by months or even years and the only way to get necessary updates to get security fixes or get certain hardware working is many times to boot from Windows.

rxhernandez 5y ago
> In practice, that can lag behind by months or even years and the only way to get necessary updates to get security fixes or get certain hardware working is many times to boot from Windows. I feel like I get updates fairly often with my p50 on Ubuntu which is 5 or 6 years old at this point. My gen 9 x1 carbon is the best Linux machine (which includes desktops) I've ever owned.
riedel 5y ago
It is only the trackpoint that locked me on ThinkPad. There is IMHO clearly a user base that would be willing to move away from Lenovo only if they could get an open replacement for that single part...
- svennek 5y ago
  Yeah me too, the trackpoint keeps me at ThinkPads for my daily driver (I have experimented with others like the Pinebook Pro, but (underpoweredness aside) the lack of the trackpoint kills the deal for me...
  - asddubs 5y ago
    I just want physical mouse buttons (especially for right and middle click), which only trackpoint laptops seem to do anymore
- spaniard89277 5y ago
  Yeah me too. Apparently there were other laptops (dell? hp?) with trackpoints too, but not anymore.
  - riedel 5y ago
    The Toshiba legacy is still around: https://us.dynabook.com/computers/laptops/portege/X40/X40-J1437/ https://us.dynabook.com/computers/laptops/portege/X40/X40-J1...
    - spaniard89277 5y ago
      I can't see the keyboard nor trackpoint, and it's quite expensive.

by 3np 5y ago

rxhernandez 5y ago

> In practice, that can lag behind by months or even years and the only way to get necessary updates to get security fixes or get certain hardware working is many times to boot from Windows. I feel like I get updates fairly often with my p50 on Ubuntu which is 5 or 6 years old at this point. My gen 9 x1 carbon is the best Linux machine (which includes desktops) I've ever owned.

riedel 5y ago

It is only the trackpoint that locked me on ThinkPad. There is IMHO clearly a user base that would be willing to move away from Lenovo only if they could get an open replacement for that single part...

svennek 5y ago
Yeah me too, the trackpoint keeps me at ThinkPads for my daily driver (I have experimented with others like the Pinebook Pro, but (underpoweredness aside) the lack of the trackpoint kills the deal for me...
- asddubs 5y ago
  I just want physical mouse buttons (especially for right and middle click), which only trackpoint laptops seem to do anymore
spaniard89277 5y ago
Yeah me too. Apparently there were other laptops (dell? hp?) with trackpoints too, but not anymore.
- riedel 5y ago
  The Toshiba legacy is still around: https://us.dynabook.com/computers/laptops/portege/X40/X40-J1437/ https://us.dynabook.com/computers/laptops/portege/X40/X40-J1...
  - spaniard89277 5y ago
    I can't see the keyboard nor trackpoint, and it's quite expensive.