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AWS was pirate operation That's amazing to me. I thought such things were never done in software anymore because: why not leave the company and do the same th

AWS was pirate operation That's amazing to me. I thought such things were never done in software anymore because: why not leave the company and do the same thing in your own startup? Same hard work, high risk, etc, but with giant upside. Was it because of something wrong with Seattle's startup culture?

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marssaxman 15y ago
Why leave the company, giving up your health insurance and guaranteed paycheck, if you can work on the same project internally? You get all the satisfaction of building something awesome with far less risk: sounds like a win. Some people are motivated more by technical challenge than business success.
ryanpers 15y ago
There is no effective Seattle startup culture. I worked in the Seattle area for 7 years, and startups are not really a big thing. Going to work at microsoft is a big thing. You make more money there anyways. A lot of this is due to the lack of a VC infrastructure I think. no sand hill road there.
nostrademons 15y ago
A startup doesn't have Amazon's network of datacenters or hardware resources. (I've never worked at Amazon, but I'd also heard that AWS was a small skunkworks project that basically got cover from Amazon's CTO, Werner Vogels, who protected and nurtured it until it was too big to kill.)
potatolicious 15y ago
There are a lot of really great products that simply cannot be built by a scrappy startup, and require the ginormous scale of a place like Amazon to pull off. Not only for deep funding pockets, but also for existing relationships. Say you had an idea that would dramatically improve online retail - you can either develop a white-box solution and try to shop it around (and have them clone it out from under you), or you can build your own online retail empire (good luck), or you can join one. It's part of what got me to stick around AMZN as long as I did. Myself and some colleagues were very much of the internal-entrepreneurial mindset. We developed lots of prototypes, some of which received rave recognition throughout the company. I left after I realized my management chain (can't speak for others) had little to no real interest in turning them into products. They were more than happy to give lip service, trophies, and have me put together presentations on how innovative and scrappy we were, though.
aidenn0 15y ago
You are a commenter on HN, so you have a distorted view about how willing the average person is to start a company.

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marssaxman 15y ago

Why leave the company, giving up your health insurance and guaranteed paycheck, if you can work on the same project internally? You get all the satisfaction of building something awesome with far less risk: sounds like a win. Some people are motivated more by technical challenge than business success.

ryanpers 15y ago

There is no effective Seattle startup culture. I worked in the Seattle area for 7 years, and startups are not really a big thing. Going to work at microsoft is a big thing. You make more money there anyways. A lot of this is due to the lack of a VC infrastructure I think. no sand hill road there.

nostrademons 15y ago

A startup doesn't have Amazon's network of datacenters or hardware resources. (I've never worked at Amazon, but I'd also heard that AWS was a small skunkworks project that basically got cover from Amazon's CTO, Werner Vogels, who protected and nurtured it until it was too big to kill.)

potatolicious 15y ago

There are a lot of really great products that simply cannot be built by a scrappy startup, and require the ginormous scale of a place like Amazon to pull off. Not only for deep funding pockets, but also for existing relationships. Say you had an idea that would dramatically improve online retail - you can either develop a white-box solution and try to shop it around (and have them clone it out from under you), or you can build your own online retail empire (good luck), or you can join one. It's part of what got me to stick around AMZN as long as I did. Myself and some colleagues were very much of the internal-entrepreneurial mindset. We developed lots of prototypes, some of which received rave recognition throughout the company. I left after I realized my management chain (can't speak for others) had little to no real interest in turning them into products. They were more than happy to give lip service, trophies, and have me put together presentations on how innovative and scrappy we were, though.

aidenn0 15y ago

You are a commenter on HN, so you have a distorted view about how willing the average person is to start a company.