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Nothing compares to the Apple track pad. My XPS 17 from 2020 has a worse trackpad than my 2012 MB Air.

BSOhealth 5y ago
I purchased and returned an XPS last year and the trackpad was unbelievably bad. After using Mac laptops for the previous 10 years, I hadn’t thought the difference in hardware quality could be so far apart. MacBooks are at least a generation ahead of the best PC hardware (generation as in, 10 years)
- tomrod 5y ago
  Likewise, 2021 Dell XPS 15. Had to retire it very early -- trackpad issues, then frame deformation caused by moving the laptop would cause the RAM or the CPU to crash. Framework working great now.
  - burnt_toast 5y ago
    > 2021 Dell XPS 15. Had to retire it very early -- trackpad issues Me over here with a 2021 XPS 15 using a mouse 24/7 because the touchpad lags hard on linux but refuses to admit I got burnt lol. I'd be over the moon if framework released a 15" model.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      Not going to lie, I was worried about the lack of a 15" model. But, working great for me even so. I just couldn't be productive with the laptop, ya know? You gotta be able to move!
- PhileasNietzche 5y ago
  https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-laptops?test_uuid=06r4MYCu5PZzCkufjQSV3po&test_variant=b https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-laptops?test_uuid=06r4M... The XPS isn't a great example of the best PC hardware, but it IS a pretty good example of the best laptop performance one can get for the price of an iPhone. ^^
  - BSOhealth 5y ago
    I mean, to Dell and the XPS's credit, it all appeared great until I started using the trackpad. Structurally it's super rigid and the hinge was satisfying. I also really prefer the rubberized+carbon fiber thing other Dell laptops have going on, much more than the cold and sharp MacBook. Even the packaging is getting Apple-esque with heavy cardboard and near-mechanical boxes. But, that trackpad produced so much dissonance and is such a critical part of interacting with the machine and software.
PhileasNietzche 5y ago
Absolutely. Nothing (that is $600+ cheaper) compares to the Apple touchpad (at least to my knowledge).
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  On the other hand, almost any keyboard is better than what Apple sells :) their latest mbp is a bit better than the butterfly one but nowhere near the 2015 and earlier models.
- rabuse 5y ago
  The surface laptops are the closest I've felt.
PhileasNietzche 5y ago
I stand corrected. The 2017 XPS 17 retailed at only about $200 cheaper than the 2012 Air (with inflation, I'm being generous with the rounding.
bscphil 5y ago
I know this back-and-forth happens every single time there's a conversation about this on HN, but I just want to point out that trackpads are extremely personal, and I've had nothing but bad experiences with Apple trackpads until recently. The "hinge" models of the previous decade border on unusable for me because of the force required to click them, whereas my (early decade) XPS model has the best trackpad of any laptop I've ever used and it includes physical left/right buttons, which I love. My advice is to try out the trackpad on a laptop before you buy it if this is something that matters to you, not trust the opinions of Internet strangers.
- Hello71 5y ago
  huh? apple hasn't used the "hinge" touchpad since 2015, more than 7 years ago. unlike afaik every other touchpad out there, the actuation force is actually adjustable. i'm not sure whether this is necessarily a good change, but it certainly is a change, and your data seems woefully out of date.
  - bscphil 5y ago
    My comment is literally a response to someone talking about a MacBook Air from 2012. Regardless, the comment stands, as even though Apple's trackpads have improved I would still strongly prefer a device with physical left/right buttons.
- Beltalowda 5y ago
  > My advice is to try out the trackpad on a laptop before you buy it if this is something that matters to you, not trust the opinions of Internet strangers. This really applies to most products, especially those that you interact with so frequently and directly. It's one reason that in the EU you have a 14-day "right of withdrawal" for all purchases made at a distance (most commonly being internet purchases).
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
  >My advice is to try out the trackpad on a laptop before you buy it if this is something that matters to you, not trust the opinions of Internet strangers. I can’t disagree, but trying out Mac hardware is far easier than trying PC hardware. I can walk into an Apple store and try all the major hardware variations. I had to get my XPS 17 based on online reviews. Because I can’t go out and try it. Buying PC laptops is the very definition of trusting internet strangers.
tverbeure 5y ago
2021 Dell Precision 5750. It's a $3000 laptop and the trackpad is a disaster due to flakey palm or loose t-shirt rejection. 15 years after the introduction of the glass trackpads of the first aluminum unibody MacBooks, you'd think that others would figure it out, but no. (The rest of the laptop is equally bad, but that's a different story.)

I purchased and returned an XPS last year and the trackpad was unbelievably bad. After using Mac laptops for the previous 10 years, I hadn’t thought the difference in hardware quality could be so far apart. MacBooks are at least a generation ahead of the best PC hardware (generation as in, 10 years)

tomrod 5y ago
Likewise, 2021 Dell XPS 15. Had to retire it very early -- trackpad issues, then frame deformation caused by moving the laptop would cause the RAM or the CPU to crash. Framework working great now.
- burnt_toast 5y ago
  > 2021 Dell XPS 15. Had to retire it very early -- trackpad issues Me over here with a 2021 XPS 15 using a mouse 24/7 because the touchpad lags hard on linux but refuses to admit I got burnt lol. I'd be over the moon if framework released a 15" model.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    Not going to lie, I was worried about the lack of a 15" model. But, working great for me even so. I just couldn't be productive with the laptop, ya know? You gotta be able to move!
PhileasNietzche 5y ago
https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-laptops?test_uuid=06r4MYCu5PZzCkufjQSV3po&test_variant=b https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-laptops?test_uuid=06r4M... The XPS isn't a great example of the best PC hardware, but it IS a pretty good example of the best laptop performance one can get for the price of an iPhone. ^^
- BSOhealth 5y ago
  I mean, to Dell and the XPS's credit, it all appeared great until I started using the trackpad. Structurally it's super rigid and the hinge was satisfying. I also really prefer the rubberized+carbon fiber thing other Dell laptops have going on, much more than the cold and sharp MacBook. Even the packaging is getting Apple-esque with heavy cardboard and near-mechanical boxes. But, that trackpad produced so much dissonance and is such a critical part of interacting with the machine and software.

PhileasNietzche 5y ago

Absolutely. Nothing (that is $600+ cheaper) compares to the Apple touchpad (at least to my knowledge).

GekkePrutser 5y ago
On the other hand, almost any keyboard is better than what Apple sells :) their latest mbp is a bit better than the butterfly one but nowhere near the 2015 and earlier models.
rabuse 5y ago
The surface laptops are the closest I've felt.

PhileasNietzche 5y ago

I stand corrected. The 2017 XPS 17 retailed at only about $200 cheaper than the 2012 Air (with inflation, I'm being generous with the rounding.

bscphil 5y ago

I know this back-and-forth happens every single time there's a conversation about this on HN, but I just want to point out that trackpads are extremely personal, and I've had nothing but bad experiences with Apple trackpads until recently. The "hinge" models of the previous decade border on unusable for me because of the force required to click them, whereas my (early decade) XPS model has the best trackpad of any laptop I've ever used and it includes physical left/right buttons, which I love. My advice is to try out the trackpad on a laptop before you buy it if this is something that matters to you, not trust the opinions of Internet strangers.

Hello71 5y ago
huh? apple hasn't used the "hinge" touchpad since 2015, more than 7 years ago. unlike afaik every other touchpad out there, the actuation force is actually adjustable. i'm not sure whether this is necessarily a good change, but it certainly is a change, and your data seems woefully out of date.
- bscphil 5y ago
  My comment is literally a response to someone talking about a MacBook Air from 2012. Regardless, the comment stands, as even though Apple's trackpads have improved I would still strongly prefer a device with physical left/right buttons.
Beltalowda 5y ago
> My advice is to try out the trackpad on a laptop before you buy it if this is something that matters to you, not trust the opinions of Internet strangers. This really applies to most products, especially those that you interact with so frequently and directly. It's one reason that in the EU you have a 14-day "right of withdrawal" for all purchases made at a distance (most commonly being internet purchases).
2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
>My advice is to try out the trackpad on a laptop before you buy it if this is something that matters to you, not trust the opinions of Internet strangers. I can’t disagree, but trying out Mac hardware is far easier than trying PC hardware. I can walk into an Apple store and try all the major hardware variations. I had to get my XPS 17 based on online reviews. Because I can’t go out and try it. Buying PC laptops is the very definition of trusting internet strangers.

tverbeure 5y ago

2021 Dell Precision 5750. It's a $3000 laptop and the trackpad is a disaster due to flakey palm or loose t-shirt rejection. 15 years after the introduction of the glass trackpads of the first aluminum unibody MacBooks, you'd think that others would figure it out, but no. (The rest of the laptop is equally bad, but that's a different story.)