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If that's your objection then anything other than tyranny is impossible. By definition the people who do anything have power.

inamiyar 5y ago
the point is the people in power represent a limited set of elites that are not invested in the best interests of anyone but themselves
- emodendroket 5y ago
  Maybe but it’s just a thought-terminating cliche that someone always throws out at any proposal at all besides shrugging your shoulders and accepting every problem.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    I disagree, this is an objection that applies to this particular solution. Its a global truth that corruption and tyranny is always a risk, but the amount of that risk varries with the solution proposed, and there are plenty of ways it could be mitigated to varrying degrees.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      Devolving power to many smaller regional entities can offer a kind of open corruption that would be hard to pull off at a national level without attracting attention.
- LoveMortuus 5y ago
  Still though, being able to turn off the recommendation algorithm is a good option to have.
bawolff 5y ago
Yes, any system that relies on a set of guardians to protect the masses from themselves has the strong potential to be tyranical. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. The standard solution of course is to divide up power and create checks and balances amongst trusted groups.
- scotuswroteus 5y ago
  "from themselves" I don't work in a tech company and I want the ability to turn that off rn
- emodendroket 5y ago
  A nice idea in theory, but obviously it has limitations if we could have checks and balances written into the Constitution at the same time as chattel slavery.
  - ryeights 5y ago
    Eventual consistency.
    - pyinstallwoes 5y ago
      Eventual inconsistency is actually the resilient system.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      That’s just the most glaring example. But beyond that I think another issue with our system is that having so many forces pull in so many directions makes it hard to have a coherent long-term plan or response to crises.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    Preventing institutions from becoming corrupt and no longer serving their members is different from preventing all types of evil. The american constitution wasn't designed around the idea that slaves were supposed to be fairly dealt with by the government

inamiyar 5y ago

the point is the people in power represent a limited set of elites that are not invested in the best interests of anyone but themselves

emodendroket 5y ago
Maybe but it’s just a thought-terminating cliche that someone always throws out at any proposal at all besides shrugging your shoulders and accepting every problem.
- bawolff 5y ago
  I disagree, this is an objection that applies to this particular solution. Its a global truth that corruption and tyranny is always a risk, but the amount of that risk varries with the solution proposed, and there are plenty of ways it could be mitigated to varrying degrees.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    Devolving power to many smaller regional entities can offer a kind of open corruption that would be hard to pull off at a national level without attracting attention.
LoveMortuus 5y ago
Still though, being able to turn off the recommendation algorithm is a good option to have.

bawolff 5y ago

Yes, any system that relies on a set of guardians to protect the masses from themselves has the strong potential to be tyranical. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. The standard solution of course is to divide up power and create checks and balances amongst trusted groups.

scotuswroteus 5y ago
"from themselves" I don't work in a tech company and I want the ability to turn that off rn
emodendroket 5y ago
A nice idea in theory, but obviously it has limitations if we could have checks and balances written into the Constitution at the same time as chattel slavery.
- ryeights 5y ago
  Eventual consistency.
  - pyinstallwoes 5y ago
    Eventual inconsistency is actually the resilient system.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    That’s just the most glaring example. But beyond that I think another issue with our system is that having so many forces pull in so many directions makes it hard to have a coherent long-term plan or response to crises.
- bawolff 5y ago
  Preventing institutions from becoming corrupt and no longer serving their members is different from preventing all types of evil. The american constitution wasn't designed around the idea that slaves were supposed to be fairly dealt with by the government