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Nuclear waste anyone? Case closed. That alone should be reason enough to sympathize with the german position.

andbberger 5y ago
not to feed the troll but... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repo...
- gostirig 5y ago
  Nuclear waste is, from my perspective, one of the most discussed aspects of turning off nuclear power in germany. It's a complicated matter, that sparked a lot of controversy between german states. For example Bavaria doesn't want it in their back yard, despite being geologically suited. This is an active research field with many aspects. Unfortunately this wikipedia-link-thing won't do.
  - dathinab 5y ago
    It's also as far as I can tell a mostly solved question from a purely technical point of view. Honestly the main reason it ever became that big topic in Germany this because of some catastrophically bad decisions about nuclear storage done in both east and west Germany. Worse at least in West Germany it was _known_ (by the people involved in making it) to be a idiotic decision and seem to have been done mainly to spite eastern Germany...
  - andbberger 5y ago
    it's not a complicated matter, you dig a deep hole and throw it in. don't portray a political problem as a technical one
    - bcrl 5y ago
      Ah, new superfund sites. Just what the world needs.
    - throwawayboise 5y ago
      Recycle it, refine the plutonium out of the waste and use it again as fuel.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
CO2 anyone? Case closed. Unlike nuclear waste that sits in on one place and doesn't move, CO is destroying ecosystems across the world
- lispm 5y ago
  Nuclear waste does not sit in one place and it does move. We are talking about longer time scales, from decades up. With nuclear power as the main cure against CO2 production we would need to build thousands of nuclear power plants world wide. Let's say Germany would need a hundred (remember we need to replace gas for heating and oil for traffic). 80 million people. World population is roughly 100 times of that. Good luck with that.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Its vitrified in glass, and then placed into a copper barrel amd welded shut. Where and how does that move in 200 years?
    - lispm 5y ago
      The reality looks like this: https://www.bge.de/en/asse/short-information/ https://www.bge.de/en/asse/short-information/ Nuclear waste buried underground. Didn't work like planned. Now it needs another several billion Euros to deal with that failure. It took less than 200 years to waste several billion Euros on a failed storage site. It wasn't even for highly radioactive waste.
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        That's a really of half a century ago, when being gay was a crime in Britain, Asbestos was still used in construction, lead in petrol and paint on kids toys was still legal, you could rape your wife and it wouldn't be a crime, and, most shockingly, the top marginal tax rate in US was 70%, and today anyone suggesting that is cla communist.
        5y ago
someguydave 5y ago
So you prefer your waste to piped into the atmosphere instead of contained in a small pool next to the plant?

not to feed the troll but... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repository https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repo...

gostirig 5y ago
Nuclear waste is, from my perspective, one of the most discussed aspects of turning off nuclear power in germany. It's a complicated matter, that sparked a lot of controversy between german states. For example Bavaria doesn't want it in their back yard, despite being geologically suited. This is an active research field with many aspects. Unfortunately this wikipedia-link-thing won't do.
- dathinab 5y ago
  It's also as far as I can tell a mostly solved question from a purely technical point of view. Honestly the main reason it ever became that big topic in Germany this because of some catastrophically bad decisions about nuclear storage done in both east and west Germany. Worse at least in West Germany it was _known_ (by the people involved in making it) to be a idiotic decision and seem to have been done mainly to spite eastern Germany...
- andbberger 5y ago
  it's not a complicated matter, you dig a deep hole and throw it in. don't portray a political problem as a technical one
  - bcrl 5y ago
    Ah, new superfund sites. Just what the world needs.
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    Recycle it, refine the plutonium out of the waste and use it again as fuel.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

CO2 anyone? Case closed. Unlike nuclear waste that sits in on one place and doesn't move, CO is destroying ecosystems across the world

lispm 5y ago
Nuclear waste does not sit in one place and it does move. We are talking about longer time scales, from decades up. With nuclear power as the main cure against CO2 production we would need to build thousands of nuclear power plants world wide. Let's say Germany would need a hundred (remember we need to replace gas for heating and oil for traffic). 80 million people. World population is roughly 100 times of that. Good luck with that.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Its vitrified in glass, and then placed into a copper barrel amd welded shut. Where and how does that move in 200 years?
  - lispm 5y ago
    The reality looks like this: https://www.bge.de/en/asse/short-information/ https://www.bge.de/en/asse/short-information/ Nuclear waste buried underground. Didn't work like planned. Now it needs another several billion Euros to deal with that failure. It took less than 200 years to waste several billion Euros on a failed storage site. It wasn't even for highly radioactive waste.
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      That's a really of half a century ago, when being gay was a crime in Britain, Asbestos was still used in construction, lead in petrol and paint on kids toys was still legal, you could rape your wife and it wouldn't be a crime, and, most shockingly, the top marginal tax rate in US was 70%, and today anyone suggesting that is cla communist.
      - 5y ago

someguydave 5y ago

So you prefer your waste to piped into the atmosphere instead of contained in a small pool next to the plant?