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China has a technocratic communisim which embraces capitalism since the 1970s. That includes the learnings and notes from a 5,000 year old administrative buerac

China has a technocratic communisim which embraces capitalism since the 1970s. That includes the learnings and notes from a 5,000 year old administrative bueracracy corps formed by qishihuang of the first ming dynasty. China is doing great (today), however poor planning as recently as the 1970s lead to widespread food shortages and people selling their kids to butchers for cannabalism (so it still has capitalism is my point). I like china personally, it's not a utopia, but it is closer to utopia than anything I have experienced in the usa.

spaetzleesser 5y ago
Unless you have to breathe the air in Beijing :)
- beaunative 5y ago
  Pollution's gonna happen somewhere unless the way we manufacture changes radically. The US never solved the problem, it just outsourced it. Overall, I think progress's been made.
blagie 5y ago
China doesn't embrace capitalism. They're thoughtful about where they have and haven't embraced it. On the whole, I am glad for China. I like having multiple systems, and unlike many others, I feel like the government is trying very hard to improve, and sometimes succeeding. However, I think your view of it as closer to a utopia is a little disconnected from reality. The US is still a nicer place to live than China, unless you're a tourist. The gap has closed rapidly, but it's still there. I think each system has upsides and downsides. I'm glad for having multiple systems. I hope they can learn from each other. The Chinese concepts of meritocracy, family, and long-term planning, as well as the emphasis on education, would go a long ways here. I also like what's socialized and what isn't. I like weak IP laws and contracts; I think China's in the right place there now (I wouldn't have said so a few years back, where it was the wild west) The US still has lower corruption. The US is much more transparent. I also don't like the way Chinese politicians are kinda dicks, openly insulting the US. Then there's issues like Tibet, Honk Kong, Taiwan, and the Uighurs, as well as mass surveillance (although the US is not much better on the last one, as of late). I feel like at some point, China might find a chill government who will let a lot of those slide or move into a more balanced position. I hope they do. I can see path for China to really become closer to a utopia than virtually any other place right now.

spaetzleesser 5y ago

Unless you have to breathe the air in Beijing :)

beaunative 5y ago
Pollution's gonna happen somewhere unless the way we manufacture changes radically. The US never solved the problem, it just outsourced it. Overall, I think progress's been made.

blagie 5y ago

China doesn't embrace capitalism. They're thoughtful about where they have and haven't embraced it. On the whole, I am glad for China. I like having multiple systems, and unlike many others, I feel like the government is trying very hard to improve, and sometimes succeeding. However, I think your view of it as closer to a utopia is a little disconnected from reality. The US is still a nicer place to live than China, unless you're a tourist. The gap has closed rapidly, but it's still there. I think each system has upsides and downsides. I'm glad for having multiple systems. I hope they can learn from each other. The Chinese concepts of meritocracy, family, and long-term planning, as well as the emphasis on education, would go a long ways here. I also like what's socialized and what isn't. I like weak IP laws and contracts; I think China's in the right place there now (I wouldn't have said so a few years back, where it was the wild west) The US still has lower corruption. The US is much more transparent. I also don't like the way Chinese politicians are kinda dicks, openly insulting the US. Then there's issues like Tibet, Honk Kong, Taiwan, and the Uighurs, as well as mass surveillance (although the US is not much better on the last one, as of late). I feel like at some point, China might find a chill government who will let a lot of those slide or move into a more balanced position. I hope they do. I can see path for China to really become closer to a utopia than virtually any other place right now.