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Quote from the Moscow-based think tank, the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies: “The flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva cruise

by gvb 4y ago

Quote from the Moscow-based think tank, the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies: “The flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva cruiser, was indeed attacked by the Neptune anti-ship missiles from the coastline between Odessa and Mykolaiv,” it said, adding that a drone distracted the ship before the missiles hit. [emphasis mine] Ref: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/14/ukraine-russian-missile-cruiser-moskva-warship/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/14/ukraine-russ...

Arrath 4y ago
As the ship was host to a S-300F system, roughly analogous to the US's AEGIS missile defense, getting distracted by a single drone sounds like it should be yet another black eye in this whole chain of events.
- dathinab 4y ago
  What if, just hypothetical, it was a swarm. (I don't think it was in this case). I mean private persons can use drone swarms to put pictures on the night sky. And while they are rout pre-programmed, it's not hard to use a template to very fast pre-program a drone swarm to fly some pseudo randomized pattern around a ship of which the position is known.
  - weeblewobble 4y ago
    Likely not a consumer class drone/quadcopter like what you're picturing, but a combat drone (basically a small airplane) like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baykar_Bayraktar_TB2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baykar_Bayraktar_TB2
- favorited 4y ago
  The analysis I saw noted that their air defense only had a 180-degree range. So a drone could be used to distract their defense, get it pointed away from the Neptune launcher, then fire from the ship's blind spot.
newsclues 4y ago
Pretty sure the drone wasn’t merely a distraction, I think they have pods with data links to the missiles with also talk to each other.
- trhway 4y ago
  Yes, the drone was used to provide the precise ship's position to the missiles, and that allowed to almost immediately turn off the main radar of the missile launching battery, thus not allowing Russia to learn about its position and to strike back.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Do you know this for a fact or is it speculation?
    - SergeAx 4y ago
      It is not even a speculation, it's a nonsense. Strike distance was between 50 and 150 km, ground based radar is useless against surface targets on that range. Neptune has an inertial+GPS navigation system with active radar on the final approach[1]. This is how anti-ship missiles are working. [1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BD_(%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0)#%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%81_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82%D1%83...
      - trhway 4y ago

by gvb 4y ago

Arrath 4y ago

As the ship was host to a S-300F system, roughly analogous to the US's AEGIS missile defense, getting distracted by a single drone sounds like it should be yet another black eye in this whole chain of events.

dathinab 4y ago
What if, just hypothetical, it was a swarm. (I don't think it was in this case). I mean private persons can use drone swarms to put pictures on the night sky. And while they are rout pre-programmed, it's not hard to use a template to very fast pre-program a drone swarm to fly some pseudo randomized pattern around a ship of which the position is known.
- weeblewobble 4y ago
  Likely not a consumer class drone/quadcopter like what you're picturing, but a combat drone (basically a small airplane) like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baykar_Bayraktar_TB2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baykar_Bayraktar_TB2
favorited 4y ago
The analysis I saw noted that their air defense only had a 180-degree range. So a drone could be used to distract their defense, get it pointed away from the Neptune launcher, then fire from the ship's blind spot.

newsclues 4y ago

Pretty sure the drone wasn’t merely a distraction, I think they have pods with data links to the missiles with also talk to each other.

trhway 4y ago
Yes, the drone was used to provide the precise ship's position to the missiles, and that allowed to almost immediately turn off the main radar of the missile launching battery, thus not allowing Russia to learn about its position and to strike back.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Do you know this for a fact or is it speculation?
  - SergeAx 4y ago
    It is not even a speculation, it's a nonsense. Strike distance was between 50 and 150 km, ground based radar is useless against surface targets on that range. Neptune has an inertial+GPS navigation system with active radar on the final approach[1]. This is how anti-ship missiles are working. [1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BD_(%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0)#%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%81_%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82%D1%83...
    - trhway 4y ago