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Now this post is one that will definitely warrant down-votes. Modern science, understandably, does not know that the human constitution is comprised of more th

Now this post is one that will definitely warrant down-votes. Modern science, understandably, does not know that the human constitution is comprised of more than the physical body. They don't know this because they don't have the instruments to detect the other bodies (such as the astral or etheric). So, all of their efforts in research are pointed to determine the effects in the physical body. Actually, when taking psychedelics it is the astral and etheric body that is being stimulated (the cause) with effects seen in the physical body. If you truly care to learn more about this I suggest Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. You can learn conscious separation of the astral body from the physical body. There's even an exercise that will allow you to determine if the whole experience is objective or subjective - you go into one room to project and in another room someone writes a number on a paper and tapes it against the wall. You quickly project into the room, read the number, come back to your body and go see if you were right.

VMG 15y ago
> They don't know this because they don't have the instruments to detect the other bodies (such as the astral or etheric). If there is no way to demonstrate the objective reality of those things, they are by definition in the realm of mysticism. > You go into one room to project and in another room someone writes a number on a paper and tapes it against the wall. You quickly project into the room, read the number, come back to your body and go see if you were right. If anybody on earth could do that, they'd qualify for James Randi's million dollar prize: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html Why don't take the challenge?
- omarchowdhury 15y ago
  "If there is no way to demonstrate the objective reality of those things, they are by definition in the realm of mysticism." Sure, that is your classification of concepts. However, know that your classification using semantics does not negate whether or not the actual reality exists. Furthermore, they cannot be demonstrated with current tools. Electrons were not able to be detected thousands of years ago, but now we have the tools to prove their existence. This does not mean electrons did not exist prior to our development of tools to detect them. The Randi challenge is a great point and I have already thought of reaching out to Robert Bruce on his forum to ask him why he himself does not submit a proposal to the institution, seeing as how he is an advanced projector. Personally, I am in the beginning states of consciously projecting and controlling the astral body, my fear usually gets in the way of completely separating, though I have floated out of my body and into the ceiling, numerous times.
  - VMG 15y ago
    > Furthermore, they cannot be demonstrated with current tools. I don't know what you mean by they? It is you who fails to objectively demonstrate the phenomena and claims knowledge. This is called mysticism, plain and simple. > The Randi challenge is a great point and I have already thought of reaching out to Robert Bruce on his forum to ask him why he himself does not submit a proposal to the institution, seeing as how he is an advanced projector. I can answer this for you: because there is no such thing as an advanced projector. He of course will respond with special pleading: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4075 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4075
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VMG 15y ago

> They don't know this because they don't have the instruments to detect the other bodies (such as the astral or etheric). If there is no way to demonstrate the objective reality of those things, they are by definition in the realm of mysticism. > You go into one room to project and in another room someone writes a number on a paper and tapes it against the wall. You quickly project into the room, read the number, come back to your body and go see if you were right. If anybody on earth could do that, they'd qualify for James Randi's million dollar prize: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html Why don't take the challenge?

omarchowdhury 15y ago
"If there is no way to demonstrate the objective reality of those things, they are by definition in the realm of mysticism." Sure, that is your classification of concepts. However, know that your classification using semantics does not negate whether or not the actual reality exists. Furthermore, they cannot be demonstrated with current tools. Electrons were not able to be detected thousands of years ago, but now we have the tools to prove their existence. This does not mean electrons did not exist prior to our development of tools to detect them. The Randi challenge is a great point and I have already thought of reaching out to Robert Bruce on his forum to ask him why he himself does not submit a proposal to the institution, seeing as how he is an advanced projector. Personally, I am in the beginning states of consciously projecting and controlling the astral body, my fear usually gets in the way of completely separating, though I have floated out of my body and into the ceiling, numerous times.
- VMG 15y ago
  > Furthermore, they cannot be demonstrated with current tools. I don't know what you mean by they? It is you who fails to objectively demonstrate the phenomena and claims knowledge. This is called mysticism, plain and simple. > The Randi challenge is a great point and I have already thought of reaching out to Robert Bruce on his forum to ask him why he himself does not submit a proposal to the institution, seeing as how he is an advanced projector. I can answer this for you: because there is no such thing as an advanced projector. He of course will respond with special pleading: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4075 http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4075
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