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Come on, there’s still plenty of regulation involved. There are regulations controlling the quality of the water that’s irrigating the fields, and they’re not u

Come on, there’s still plenty of regulation involved. There are regulations controlling the quality of the water that’s irrigating the fields, and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants.

shagie 5y ago
> and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants. Nope... industrial waste. ‘Forever chemicals’ upended a Maine farm — and point to larger problem -- https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf
yucky 5y ago
The water used on fields in my area is non-potable. As far as human waste goes, I don't think it's regulations preventing that, but rather efficiency. Other animal waste is used as fertilizer, because it works better.
- otterley 5y ago
  That is incorrect. You'll find the relevant regulations here: https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations
  - yucky 5y ago
    Your link does not support your claim. Crops are watered with non-potable water and it's not regulated. Any farmer can water their crops and sell them on the side of the road without any interference from the EPA.
    - otterley 5y ago
      The claim I’m making isn’t that you can’t use non-potable water. It’s that the water quality is regulated (see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=112&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:2.0.1.1.12.5 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...) and you can’t fertilize crops with raw human sewage (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=112.53&SearchTerm=soil%20amendment https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...), both of which are true (with certain exceptions). I find it is useful to try to disprove your own beliefs before confidently claiming something to be true. The resources are out there and not terribly difficult to locate if you put a modicum of effort into it.
      - yucky 5y ago
        Many farmers in my state water from rivers on their land that aren't even large enough to get EPA attention let alone direct regulation. I think you're under the impression everyone with a vegetable stand is Cargill or something.
cool_dude85 5y ago
Well, then this is also true of crypto - there are regulations about how the electricity used for PoW is generated, transmitted, distributed, regulations about how these transactions should be reported for tax purposes, etc. But that's not what he's talking about.
- otterley 5y ago
  You also can't injure your customers with your produce. You can't put your produce stand in the middle of a public roadway. You can't lie about what kind of produce you're selling, and you can't lie about its grading. You can't doctor the scales. You can't charge a higher sales tax than is levied by the locality and pocket the difference.

shagie 5y ago

> and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants. Nope... industrial waste. ‘Forever chemicals’ upended a Maine farm — and point to larger problem -- https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf

yucky 5y ago

The water used on fields in my area is non-potable. As far as human waste goes, I don't think it's regulations preventing that, but rather efficiency. Other animal waste is used as fertilizer, because it works better.

otterley 5y ago
That is incorrect. You'll find the relevant regulations here: https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations
- yucky 5y ago
  Your link does not support your claim. Crops are watered with non-potable water and it's not regulated. Any farmer can water their crops and sell them on the side of the road without any interference from the EPA.
  - otterley 5y ago
    The claim I’m making isn’t that you can’t use non-potable water. It’s that the water quality is regulated (see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=112&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:2.0.1.1.12.5 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...) and you can’t fertilize crops with raw human sewage (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=112.53&SearchTerm=soil%20amendment https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...), both of which are true (with certain exceptions). I find it is useful to try to disprove your own beliefs before confidently claiming something to be true. The resources are out there and not terribly difficult to locate if you put a modicum of effort into it.
    - yucky 5y ago
      Many farmers in my state water from rivers on their land that aren't even large enough to get EPA attention let alone direct regulation. I think you're under the impression everyone with a vegetable stand is Cargill or something.

cool_dude85 5y ago

Well, then this is also true of crypto - there are regulations about how the electricity used for PoW is generated, transmitted, distributed, regulations about how these transactions should be reported for tax purposes, etc. But that's not what he's talking about.

otterley 5y ago
You also can't injure your customers with your produce. You can't put your produce stand in the middle of a public roadway. You can't lie about what kind of produce you're selling, and you can't lie about its grading. You can't doctor the scales. You can't charge a higher sales tax than is levied by the locality and pocket the difference.