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>Show me a marketplace without regulation and I will show you a marketplace best avoided if possible. I buy all of my vegetables from the roadside stands that

by yucky 5y ago

>Show me a marketplace without regulation and I will show you a marketplace best avoided if possible. I buy all of my vegetables from the roadside stands that are completely unregulated, and often set up in proximity to other stands with other offerings. I get a higher quality at a lower price - works out great.

otterley 5y ago
Come on, there’s still plenty of regulation involved. There are regulations controlling the quality of the water that’s irrigating the fields, and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants.
- shagie 5y ago
  > and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants. Nope... industrial waste. ‘Forever chemicals’ upended a Maine farm — and point to larger problem -- https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf
- yucky 5y ago
  The water used on fields in my area is non-potable. As far as human waste goes, I don't think it's regulations preventing that, but rather efficiency. Other animal waste is used as fertilizer, because it works better.
  - otterley 5y ago
    That is incorrect. You'll find the relevant regulations here: https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations
    - yucky 5y ago
      Your link does not support your claim. Crops are watered with non-potable water and it's not regulated. Any farmer can water their crops and sell them on the side of the road without any interference from the EPA.
      - otterley 5y ago
        The claim I’m making isn’t that you can’t use non-potable water. It’s that the water quality is regulated (see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=112&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:2.0.1.1.12.5 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...) and you can’t fertilize crops with raw human sewage (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=112.53&SearchTerm=soil%20amendment https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...), both of which are true (with certain exceptions). I find it is useful to try to disprove your own beliefs before confidently claiming something to be true. The resources are out there and not terribly difficult to locate if you put a modicum of effort into it.
        yucky 5y ago
        Many farmers in my state water from rivers on their land that aren't even large enough to get EPA attention let alone direct regulation. I think you're under the impression everyone with a vegetable stand is Cargill or something.
- cool_dude85 5y ago
  Well, then this is also true of crypto - there are regulations about how the electricity used for PoW is generated, transmitted, distributed, regulations about how these transactions should be reported for tax purposes, etc. But that's not what he's talking about.
  - otterley 5y ago
    You also can't injure your customers with your produce. You can't put your produce stand in the middle of a public roadway. You can't lie about what kind of produce you're selling, and you can't lie about its grading. You can't doctor the scales. You can't charge a higher sales tax than is levied by the locality and pocket the difference.
jqpabc123 5y ago
I get a higher quality at a lower price - works out great. Are you sure? A lot of these are "the hippies ripping off the yuppies". In my area, they often sell the same stuff as the grocery stores --- just priced differently. A little basket of 4 tomatoes (usually about 2 lbs) is $5. The grocery store price is $1.49/lb (or less if you shop at Lidl or Aldi). The price isn't regulated but there are lots of other regulations involved along with legal liability if they poison customers.
- whymauri 5y ago
  Really depends on where you live. In South Florida, the roadside and farm-affiliated vendors really do sell higher quality product for less money. I have picked up better quality mangoes off the side of the road than I can buy at a supermarket. But I grew up in Homestead, near the Redland agricultural area.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    In the Tampa area farmers markets, you can buy all of the produce that farmers took to Lakeland to sell to Publix but was rejected.
aardvarkr 5y ago
And what about the unregulated supply chain for those goods? Do you know they’re actually higher quality? How do you know they’re not just buying the cheapest thing from Mexico or the passed over produce from a local farmer and hawking it to you at premium prices?
- hoofhearted 5y ago
  I’ve been researching the work that Devin Finzer has done around ERC-721 and I believe the scenario you described above is the perfect use case for all this blockchain tech that is currently being developed. I recently saw that Warner Brothers is going to release 6 million NFT backed physical items this year. Does anybody have ideas on how they might go about minting 6 million records? And how would they go about keeping track of said 6 million records?
moralestapia 5y ago
Oh, those are regulated, for sure. Try to steal from them and the cops will come after you, plus the risk to your physical integrity.

by yucky 5y ago

otterley 5y ago

Come on, there’s still plenty of regulation involved. There are regulations controlling the quality of the water that’s irrigating the fields, and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants.

shagie 5y ago
> and they’re not using raw human waste to fertilize the plants. Nope... industrial waste. ‘Forever chemicals’ upended a Maine farm — and point to larger problem -- https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf https://wapo.st/3OeHPEf
yucky 5y ago
The water used on fields in my area is non-potable. As far as human waste goes, I don't think it's regulations preventing that, but rather efficiency. Other animal waste is used as fertilizer, because it works better.
- otterley 5y ago
  That is incorrect. You'll find the relevant regulations here: https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/biosolids-laws-and-regulations
  - yucky 5y ago
    Your link does not support your claim. Crops are watered with non-potable water and it's not regulated. Any farmer can water their crops and sell them on the side of the road without any interference from the EPA.
    - otterley 5y ago
      The claim I’m making isn’t that you can’t use non-potable water. It’s that the water quality is regulated (see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=112&showFR=1&subpartNode=21:2.0.1.1.12.5 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...) and you can’t fertilize crops with raw human sewage (https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=112.53&SearchTerm=soil%20amendment https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFR...), both of which are true (with certain exceptions). I find it is useful to try to disprove your own beliefs before confidently claiming something to be true. The resources are out there and not terribly difficult to locate if you put a modicum of effort into it.
      - yucky 5y ago
        Many farmers in my state water from rivers on their land that aren't even large enough to get EPA attention let alone direct regulation. I think you're under the impression everyone with a vegetable stand is Cargill or something.
cool_dude85 5y ago
Well, then this is also true of crypto - there are regulations about how the electricity used for PoW is generated, transmitted, distributed, regulations about how these transactions should be reported for tax purposes, etc. But that's not what he's talking about.
- otterley 5y ago
  You also can't injure your customers with your produce. You can't put your produce stand in the middle of a public roadway. You can't lie about what kind of produce you're selling, and you can't lie about its grading. You can't doctor the scales. You can't charge a higher sales tax than is levied by the locality and pocket the difference.

jqpabc123 5y ago

I get a higher quality at a lower price - works out great. Are you sure? A lot of these are "the hippies ripping off the yuppies". In my area, they often sell the same stuff as the grocery stores --- just priced differently. A little basket of 4 tomatoes (usually about 2 lbs) is $5. The grocery store price is $1.49/lb (or less if you shop at Lidl or Aldi). The price isn't regulated but there are lots of other regulations involved along with legal liability if they poison customers.

whymauri 5y ago
Really depends on where you live. In South Florida, the roadside and farm-affiliated vendors really do sell higher quality product for less money. I have picked up better quality mangoes off the side of the road than I can buy at a supermarket. But I grew up in Homestead, near the Redland agricultural area.
- mcphage 5y ago
  In the Tampa area farmers markets, you can buy all of the produce that farmers took to Lakeland to sell to Publix but was rejected.

aardvarkr 5y ago

And what about the unregulated supply chain for those goods? Do you know they’re actually higher quality? How do you know they’re not just buying the cheapest thing from Mexico or the passed over produce from a local farmer and hawking it to you at premium prices?

hoofhearted 5y ago
I’ve been researching the work that Devin Finzer has done around ERC-721 and I believe the scenario you described above is the perfect use case for all this blockchain tech that is currently being developed. I recently saw that Warner Brothers is going to release 6 million NFT backed physical items this year. Does anybody have ideas on how they might go about minting 6 million records? And how would they go about keeping track of said 6 million records?

moralestapia 5y ago

Oh, those are regulated, for sure. Try to steal from them and the cops will come after you, plus the risk to your physical integrity.