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Why don't you simply retain productivity by dropping gnome? After all this isn't exactly the first time they have dropped a feature people were peeved about.

oliwarner 5y ago
No it's not. Not the first feature I've been angry to lose. I've been doing this a while. I do try to shop around every few years, but return to Gnome. KDE is perpetually never quite right. Visual clutter, forcing desktop metaphors like Activities on me, and poor integration (read: different toolkit) with the things I actually use. I agree, I should leave. But doing that is even more change. At some point I just need to get some work done. I'll moan and groan and maybe one day Gnome governance will stop individuals vandalising the project's applications without community buy-in.
- chickenimprint 5y ago
  > Visual clutter With a mote of customization this is not an issue. Choose a minimalist plasma and icon theme and replace menu bars with the configurable hamburger menu, or place them on a panel Mac OS-style. >forcing Activities As corroboration for rejecting this I'll admit I've been using KDE Plasma for a long time and I still haven't bothered to figure out what they do. Not only are they not forced, their discoverability is 0. >poor integration with GTK apps The context menu hover looks different, but apart from that non-CSD apps arguably look more at home than in Gnome 3 I don't know why I felt the need to defend a desktop, but I get the impression that Plasma is judged by its defaults rather than its possibilities.
- kasabali 5y ago
  You say you shop around but only mentioned KDE, while XFCE, MATE and Cinnamon would be more suitable first alternatives for a previous GNOME user. Unfortunately they're still susceptible to GTK maintainers bad decisions but despite that they're still a breath of fresh air compared to GNOME.

oliwarner 5y ago

No it's not. Not the first feature I've been angry to lose. I've been doing this a while. I do try to shop around every few years, but return to Gnome. KDE is perpetually never quite right. Visual clutter, forcing desktop metaphors like Activities on me, and poor integration (read: different toolkit) with the things I actually use. I agree, I should leave. But doing that is even more change. At some point I just need to get some work done. I'll moan and groan and maybe one day Gnome governance will stop individuals vandalising the project's applications without community buy-in.

chickenimprint 5y ago
> Visual clutter With a mote of customization this is not an issue. Choose a minimalist plasma and icon theme and replace menu bars with the configurable hamburger menu, or place them on a panel Mac OS-style. >forcing Activities As corroboration for rejecting this I'll admit I've been using KDE Plasma for a long time and I still haven't bothered to figure out what they do. Not only are they not forced, their discoverability is 0. >poor integration with GTK apps The context menu hover looks different, but apart from that non-CSD apps arguably look more at home than in Gnome 3 I don't know why I felt the need to defend a desktop, but I get the impression that Plasma is judged by its defaults rather than its possibilities.
kasabali 5y ago
You say you shop around but only mentioned KDE, while XFCE, MATE and Cinnamon would be more suitable first alternatives for a previous GNOME user. Unfortunately they're still susceptible to GTK maintainers bad decisions but despite that they're still a breath of fresh air compared to GNOME.