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Don't compare your experiences with Ukraine. They fight a very different war, on their own territory (often their own cities). They literally defending their fa

Don't compare your experiences with Ukraine. They fight a very different war, on their own territory (often their own cities). They literally defending their families, no less.

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imbnwa 5y ago
No, he's saying Americans should not be committed to fight for Ukraine.
- deepsun 5y ago
  But there's one quirk to the story: US has signed up for it on December 5, 1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... Too bad that document was very high-level, without specific procedures, timelines and liabilities listed in case of a breach. But nevertheless, it's a very real and legal grounding for fighting for Ukraine.
dumpsterdiver 5y ago
> Don't compare your experiences with Ukraine. Why would you tell someone not to compare two things just because those things are different? What would be the point of making comparisons at all if everything was the same? You would already know the result.
- deepsun 5y ago
  Good point. I meant "those are different, so your (their) experiences don't apply there".
  - kodah 5y ago
    The circumstances are not that different. The people of Afghanistan (by the time I arrived) were trying to defend their homes and communities from Taliban incursion that the US had partially reinvigorated by overthrowing their government (in that it made them worse, not that we created them which is common misinterpretation). The history of Afghanistan puts this kind of stuff pretty plain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom#The_Taliban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom#The... I do understand there is a wide knowledge gap that HN visitors have about Afghanistan, but please try to understand better.
sumedh 5y ago
> They literally defending their families, no less. So the Taliban were not defending their families?

Don't compare your experiences with Ukraine. They fight a very different war, on their own territory (often their own cities). They literally defending their families, no less.

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imbnwa 5y ago

No, he's saying Americans should not be committed to fight for Ukraine.

deepsun 5y ago
But there's one quirk to the story: US has signed up for it on December 5, 1994: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... Too bad that document was very high-level, without specific procedures, timelines and liabilities listed in case of a breach. But nevertheless, it's a very real and legal grounding for fighting for Ukraine.

dumpsterdiver 5y ago

> Don't compare your experiences with Ukraine. Why would you tell someone not to compare two things just because those things are different? What would be the point of making comparisons at all if everything was the same? You would already know the result.

deepsun 5y ago
Good point. I meant "those are different, so your (their) experiences don't apply there".
- kodah 5y ago
  The circumstances are not that different. The people of Afghanistan (by the time I arrived) were trying to defend their homes and communities from Taliban incursion that the US had partially reinvigorated by overthrowing their government (in that it made them worse, not that we created them which is common misinterpretation). The history of Afghanistan puts this kind of stuff pretty plain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom#The_Taliban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom#The... I do understand there is a wide knowledge gap that HN visitors have about Afghanistan, but please try to understand better.

sumedh 5y ago

> They literally defending their families, no less. So the Taliban were not defending their families?