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What evidence do you have for that claim?

by xtian 4y ago

kurthr 4y ago
So this video is meant to be funny, but it really isn't funny for the government to brainwash school children... or have forced sterilization and prison camps for ethnic minorities. https://youtu.be/MipTHyFXYTE?t=175 https://youtu.be/MipTHyFXYTE?t=175 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-47236902 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-47236902
- imiric 4y ago
  > One Weibo user from Shandong province said she had to earn 66 points per day - which according to a screenshot of the learning record she posted takes around two hours. Black Mirror IRL. I'm sure the app is so popular because people install it voluntarily... It's scary to think that an autocratic government has the power to influence the thoughts and actions of 1.4bn people. The US may spend an exorbitant amount on its defense budget, but the CCP can effectively weaponize the entire population on a whim, which somehow seems even scarier.
  - kwere 4y ago
    china spends more money in internal security than military defense[0]: 121 B$ vs 119 B$ [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-defence-idUSBRE92403620130305 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-defence-...
    - dirtyid 4y ago
      Which translates to less than 2% in public security and policing, i.e. less as % of GDP relative to US. All this number shows is PRC doesn't spend much on military and about EU levels on policing but gets misconstrued as PRC overspending on domestic security. That's true for every NATO country that underspends on military.
- xtian 4y ago
  So what you’re saying is you have no evidence for the claims of the post I responded to and so you want to pivot to some other narratives.
  - kurthr 4y ago
    Maybe it is difficult to distinguish individuals, but I didn't make the original post. You made some broad request for some "evidence" that I feel no need to provide when it is self apparent. What is the Great Firewall of China for? Why does it only exist there? Why doesn't https work... or most VPNs? If you don't know what a Hukou is, or you don't know about the need to check in with a party representative when you move cities in China (and check in with the police for foreigners) then you should find out (note foreigners can't stay in most hotels, because many don't have procedures in place to track them). If you haven't already seen that you can be jailed for using a VPN in China, or posting material "against the party", then I suspect you're not really interested. Go find out on Weibo 自干五.
    - xtian 4y ago
      Why did you reply to me directly then? If you don’t know what threads are then you should find out. In what way exactly was what I asked for broad? Please, I want to hold you to this point. In my experience, people like you are incapable of backing up your claims with the barest minimum of hard evidence, and you try to cover that fact up with a shotgun spray (or another kind of spray) of narratives and an uppity, condescending affectation. I’m not impressed. Anyone observing what’s going on within the US-centric Internet right now should be able to understand dispassionately how China benefited from creating the conditions for its own national tech companies to develop. No US company can suddenly shut off mobile payments infrastructure within China, for instance.
      - kurthr 4y ago
        To quote you, "Here’s a question I expect you’ll never answer: is it within the capabilities of any groups within the West (state-sponsored or otherwise) to fabricate the information you’re using to make those assessments? And if so, how have you decisively eliminated this possibility?"
maxk42 4y ago
Taiwan is a separate country.
- xtian 4y ago

What evidence do you have for that claim?

by xtian 4y ago

What evidence do you have for that claim?

So this video is meant to be funny, but it really isn't funny for the government to brainwash school children... or have forced sterilization and prison camps for ethnic minorities. https://youtu.be/MipTHyFXYTE?t=175 https://youtu.be/MipTHyFXYTE?t=175 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-47236902 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-47236902

imiric 4y ago
> One Weibo user from Shandong province said she had to earn 66 points per day - which according to a screenshot of the learning record she posted takes around two hours. Black Mirror IRL. I'm sure the app is so popular because people install it voluntarily... It's scary to think that an autocratic government has the power to influence the thoughts and actions of 1.4bn people. The US may spend an exorbitant amount on its defense budget, but the CCP can effectively weaponize the entire population on a whim, which somehow seems even scarier.
- kwere 4y ago
  china spends more money in internal security than military defense[0]: 121 B$ vs 119 B$ [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-defence-idUSBRE92403620130305 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-defence-...
  - dirtyid 4y ago
    Which translates to less than 2% in public security and policing, i.e. less as % of GDP relative to US. All this number shows is PRC doesn't spend much on military and about EU levels on policing but gets misconstrued as PRC overspending on domestic security. That's true for every NATO country that underspends on military.
xtian 4y ago
So what you’re saying is you have no evidence for the claims of the post I responded to and so you want to pivot to some other narratives.
- kurthr 4y ago
  Maybe it is difficult to distinguish individuals, but I didn't make the original post. You made some broad request for some "evidence" that I feel no need to provide when it is self apparent. What is the Great Firewall of China for? Why does it only exist there? Why doesn't https work... or most VPNs? If you don't know what a Hukou is, or you don't know about the need to check in with a party representative when you move cities in China (and check in with the police for foreigners) then you should find out (note foreigners can't stay in most hotels, because many don't have procedures in place to track them). If you haven't already seen that you can be jailed for using a VPN in China, or posting material "against the party", then I suspect you're not really interested. Go find out on Weibo 自干五.
  - xtian 4y ago
    Why did you reply to me directly then? If you don’t know what threads are then you should find out. In what way exactly was what I asked for broad? Please, I want to hold you to this point. In my experience, people like you are incapable of backing up your claims with the barest minimum of hard evidence, and you try to cover that fact up with a shotgun spray (or another kind of spray) of narratives and an uppity, condescending affectation. I’m not impressed. Anyone observing what’s going on within the US-centric Internet right now should be able to understand dispassionately how China benefited from creating the conditions for its own national tech companies to develop. No US company can suddenly shut off mobile payments infrastructure within China, for instance.
    - kurthr 4y ago
      To quote you, "Here’s a question I expect you’ll never answer: is it within the capabilities of any groups within the West (state-sponsored or otherwise) to fabricate the information you’re using to make those assessments? And if so, how have you decisively eliminated this possibility?"

maxk42 4y ago

Taiwan is a separate country.

xtian 4y ago