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+ Family 1Password so everyone can securely manage passwords and share logins + Network is covered by pihole (and in exchange, plex/jellyfin/etc access works n

+ Family 1Password so everyone can securely manage passwords and share logins + Network is covered by pihole (and in exchange, plex/jellyfin/etc access works nicely) + Smart home stuff is managed by me. Everyone has admin rights but shared terminals (eg kitchen panel) are unpriviledged users. + Everyone has a home directory on the homelab they can back up to with as much space as they want (4tb+). I help them set it up if they ask. + Haven't done this yet but would like some kind of network level monitoring for threats (viruses, cryptominers, etc) Things intentionally not done: + I don't install anything on folks devices.. at all, but never without their consent and without them having an off switch. + We have cams but everyone can turn them off and view recordings. Recordings are kept only for a short timeframe. Cams are all visible/known. + I intentionally collect no logs of dns or other stuff. When I do occasionally need to debug an issue, I let everyone know I am flipping on logs for a few minutes. Empower users, don't control them.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago
This assumes some kind of knowledge your users have. I install whatever I can to control/centralize the devices of my wife and parents. The less they know the better. Because your know, I am the 24/7/365 all-knowing support. I do not do this with my teen kids. They can manage their stupid themselves. Until recently I had them tracked in Google maps but not anymore. They do see me though.
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  > The less they know the better. I have found the opposite to be true. If I push them to invest and understand, they are more likely to fix their own problems. I play tech support very infrequently and usually it's just initial onboarding - "Hey, how do I watch movies?" My users can reset their own passwords, reboot devices, and some of them can even restart stuff on the server. There's a dashboard with all of our links, so I don't get the "What's the url for..." stuff. I keep quick docs in the family notes. Usually my only problem makers are game servers since those are always a bit less than stable once loaded up with mods.
  - monsieurbanana 5y ago
    Some people learn, some don't. Generalizing how tech savy people are, can or even want to be is a futile effort
    - vorpalhex 5y ago
      People learn when they have motivation. If you always do everything for them, tell them it's complicated or easy to mess up.. well then yeah, they aren't going to learn. Tech knowledge is not special compared to any other kind of knowledge. You don't have to be "tech savvy" to be a self sufficient user.
      - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
        I do not want to learn to fix my car, there is a service for that. I have exactly zero interest in cars apart from driving them to go from A to B. Some people feel thr same with computrts. And I do not argue with my parents or wife, weak as I am, just fix the stuff and hope for the best :)
c22 5y ago
I have a similar setup at my house. The kids are on devices I do exert more control over (customized per child) but it is known that if they want to acquire their own devices they can set them up however they like at which point they will be responsible for their own security (on which I am happy to consult). My oldest is saving up to buy her own tablet, but I have an outstanding offer on the table to purchase any parts or components for any of them that want to attempt building their own device.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago

This assumes some kind of knowledge your users have. I install whatever I can to control/centralize the devices of my wife and parents. The less they know the better. Because your know, I am the 24/7/365 all-knowing support. I do not do this with my teen kids. They can manage their stupid themselves. Until recently I had them tracked in Google maps but not anymore. They do see me though.

vorpalhex 5y ago
> The less they know the better. I have found the opposite to be true. If I push them to invest and understand, they are more likely to fix their own problems. I play tech support very infrequently and usually it's just initial onboarding - "Hey, how do I watch movies?" My users can reset their own passwords, reboot devices, and some of them can even restart stuff on the server. There's a dashboard with all of our links, so I don't get the "What's the url for..." stuff. I keep quick docs in the family notes. Usually my only problem makers are game servers since those are always a bit less than stable once loaded up with mods.
- monsieurbanana 5y ago
  Some people learn, some don't. Generalizing how tech savy people are, can or even want to be is a futile effort
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    People learn when they have motivation. If you always do everything for them, tell them it's complicated or easy to mess up.. well then yeah, they aren't going to learn. Tech knowledge is not special compared to any other kind of knowledge. You don't have to be "tech savvy" to be a self sufficient user.
    - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
      I do not want to learn to fix my car, there is a service for that. I have exactly zero interest in cars apart from driving them to go from A to B. Some people feel thr same with computrts. And I do not argue with my parents or wife, weak as I am, just fix the stuff and hope for the best :)

c22 5y ago

I have a similar setup at my house. The kids are on devices I do exert more control over (customized per child) but it is known that if they want to acquire their own devices they can set them up however they like at which point they will be responsible for their own security (on which I am happy to consult). My oldest is saving up to buy her own tablet, but I have an outstanding offer on the table to purchase any parts or components for any of them that want to attempt building their own device.