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> USA doesn’t have rule of law Total nonsense. The US doesn't have perfect rule of law but then nothing is ever perfect. Failures like the ones you are present

> USA doesn’t have rule of law Total nonsense. The US doesn't have perfect rule of law but then nothing is ever perfect. Failures like the ones you are presenting have been widely reported, are largely controversial, and nobody who has criticized those arguably undesirable outcomes has been silenced or disappeared by the US government. I would a thousand times rather be indicted in the US or most European countries than in China or in Russia where the arbitrary and corruption of the judicial system reign.

trasz 4y ago
>Total nonsense. The US doesn't have perfect rule of law but then nothing is ever perfect. So how is it different from China again? As for being indicted - please check out statistics of how many people in American prisons were sentenced without proving them guilty. The fundamental difference between legal systems in US and China is that the American system is faulty by design, ie its flaws are not considered flaws. Same way politician's corruption is considered normal.
- ebruchez 4y ago
  > how is it different from China again It's a matter of degree. Not everything is black or white. Things can be better or they can be worse. Since there is no way to just argue one's way out of it, I'll just point you to the ranking established by the World Justice Project [1] in this document [2]. Overall ranking (lower is better): - United States: ranking 27 - China: ranking 98 - Russian Federation: ranking 101 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Justice_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Justice_Project [2] https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/documents/WJP-INDEX-21.pdf https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/document...
  - trasz 4y ago
    What would you say if I quoted a similar index released by Beijing (as opposed to Washington) that shows opposite score?
    - ebruchez 4y ago
      I would say that I generally have more trust in openness, transparency, and independence than in closeness, opacity, and subservience to a single party. Therefore, a priori, I would assign more trust to documents and research produced in the "West" or other places with these values than in anything coming out of mainland China. But please, go ahead and quote.

trasz 4y ago

>Total nonsense. The US doesn't have perfect rule of law but then nothing is ever perfect. So how is it different from China again? As for being indicted - please check out statistics of how many people in American prisons were sentenced without proving them guilty. The fundamental difference between legal systems in US and China is that the American system is faulty by design, ie its flaws are not considered flaws. Same way politician's corruption is considered normal.

ebruchez 4y ago
> how is it different from China again It's a matter of degree. Not everything is black or white. Things can be better or they can be worse. Since there is no way to just argue one's way out of it, I'll just point you to the ranking established by the World Justice Project [1] in this document [2]. Overall ranking (lower is better): - United States: ranking 27 - China: ranking 98 - Russian Federation: ranking 101 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Justice_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Justice_Project [2] https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/documents/WJP-INDEX-21.pdf https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/document...
- trasz 4y ago
  What would you say if I quoted a similar index released by Beijing (as opposed to Washington) that shows opposite score?
  - ebruchez 4y ago
    I would say that I generally have more trust in openness, transparency, and independence than in closeness, opacity, and subservience to a single party. Therefore, a priori, I would assign more trust to documents and research produced in the "West" or other places with these values than in anything coming out of mainland China. But please, go ahead and quote.