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Another what? Outside the leftists echo chamber Jan 6 was a nothing burger.

Swenrekcah 4y ago
You mean that time when the sitting president of the US encouraged his followers to storm the Capitol and stop Congress from formally ratifying the democratically elected next president? When he encouraged them to behave violently and actually told them he’d be right there with them? That time when, what, 4 people got killed, directly related to a call by the president to urge his supporters to stop the peaceful transition of power? Out here in the real world outside the Trump cult that’s what these events were.
- Inu 4y ago
  Wikipedia mentions "5 deaths (1 from gunshot, 1 from drug overdose, 3 from natural causes)".
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    First, the fact that deaths from a drug overdose and natural causes are included in the casualty list is in and of itself ridiculous. Should the casualty list for WW2 include everyone who died of natural causes from 1939 to 1945? Second, the one death from gunshot is of an unarmed rioter, shot by the Capitol Police. I have no problem whatsoever with the death; if the Capitol Police had actually used their weapons and training immediately, as opposed to letting rioters run rampant inside the Capitol, a tremendous amount of trouble would have been avoided. But the death is not of a lawmaker or someone else otherwise uninvolved. Third, the death from gunshot is also not a police officer. In particular, it is not Officer Sicknick, who was lauded by one and all for weeks as a martyr to the TrumpNaziKKK forces ... only for the autopsy to find that he died of a stroke that had nothing to do with the riot (the autopsy specifically checked for blunt force trauma (i.e., "hit by a fire extinguisher") and exposure to tear gas). And yet the claims made after the riot, of many cops being killed by the rioters, were never widely disavowe and continue to be believed, as can be seen elsewhere in this very discussion.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  No actually, from an outsider view the comment you replied to is exactly right. For a lot of non-americans it's borderline hilarious to see how cheesy and hyperbolic the narrative around the riots that happened on that day is (I remember it got to the point where "this is worse than 9/11" was an unironic take). I guess it's fine and it works for internal consumption for political rhetoric, but that's it. By the way your comment is exactly proving their point. It's a bit amazing actually, you literally repeated the same tired hyperbolic talking points. And the claim that the riots killed 4 people has been debunked repeatedly.
  - jjoonathan 4y ago
    A strongman who loses and sends a mob to the legislature is a staple in the history of democracy. It isn't a sign of stability. It made me update some priors.
  - vehementi 4y ago
    No, actually, from an outsider view the person replying is exactly right.
  - Swenrekcah 4y ago
    I have an outsider view actually. You might think it’s cheesy to warn about autocrats and attacks on democracy but I happen to think that’s very important. I wasn’t aware that there weren’t actually 4 deaths so my bad. I guess the whole episode is a nothingburger since only one person got actually killed there? Or would you care to respond to any of the other points?
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      I think you misread my comment. The cheesy part isn't to talk about the events, or what trump did. It's the insane hyperbole, and the never ending exaggeration in the words used to describe what happened. A good example of that is the death count: we got to the point where some people were so desperate to turn the whole situation into an iconic, unprecedented historical attack that they counted a cop who died the day after from a stroke in the death count. The "insurrection" narrative does not sound credible without deaths or violence, so the fact that the only death was a rioter killed by cops was a pretty inconvenient plot hole. I assume you are pretty informed and even then, you still had in mind the spurious death count. That goes to show just how much the early hyperbole poisoned the entire discussion around the events and spread disinformation. Another example of disingenuous reality bending is the claim that the rioters were "armed so they came here to overthrow the government". When I think they found one or two person with a firearm. To me it's simple, if the riots were actually that bad, the huge disinformation push and extremely disingenuous rhetoric wouldn't have been needed.
- rayiner 4y ago
  I'm barely an hour outside of DC and nobody cares about 1/6. Partly because Americans are pretty used to nutjobs storming public buildings, and partly because they're also used to extreme rhetoric from politicians.

You mean that time when the sitting president of the US encouraged his followers to storm the Capitol and stop Congress from formally ratifying the democratically elected next president? When he encouraged them to behave violently and actually told them he’d be right there with them? That time when, what, 4 people got killed, directly related to a call by the president to urge his supporters to stop the peaceful transition of power? Out here in the real world outside the Trump cult that’s what these events were.

Inu 4y ago
Wikipedia mentions "5 deaths (1 from gunshot, 1 from drug overdose, 3 from natural causes)".
- TMWNN 4y ago
  First, the fact that deaths from a drug overdose and natural causes are included in the casualty list is in and of itself ridiculous. Should the casualty list for WW2 include everyone who died of natural causes from 1939 to 1945? Second, the one death from gunshot is of an unarmed rioter, shot by the Capitol Police. I have no problem whatsoever with the death; if the Capitol Police had actually used their weapons and training immediately, as opposed to letting rioters run rampant inside the Capitol, a tremendous amount of trouble would have been avoided. But the death is not of a lawmaker or someone else otherwise uninvolved. Third, the death from gunshot is also not a police officer. In particular, it is not Officer Sicknick, who was lauded by one and all for weeks as a martyr to the TrumpNaziKKK forces ... only for the autopsy to find that he died of a stroke that had nothing to do with the riot (the autopsy specifically checked for blunt force trauma (i.e., "hit by a fire extinguisher") and exposure to tear gas). And yet the claims made after the riot, of many cops being killed by the rioters, were never widely disavowe and continue to be believed, as can be seen elsewhere in this very discussion.
mardifoufs 4y ago
No actually, from an outsider view the comment you replied to is exactly right. For a lot of non-americans it's borderline hilarious to see how cheesy and hyperbolic the narrative around the riots that happened on that day is (I remember it got to the point where "this is worse than 9/11" was an unironic take). I guess it's fine and it works for internal consumption for political rhetoric, but that's it. By the way your comment is exactly proving their point. It's a bit amazing actually, you literally repeated the same tired hyperbolic talking points. And the claim that the riots killed 4 people has been debunked repeatedly.
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  A strongman who loses and sends a mob to the legislature is a staple in the history of democracy. It isn't a sign of stability. It made me update some priors.
- vehementi 4y ago
  No, actually, from an outsider view the person replying is exactly right.
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  I have an outsider view actually. You might think it’s cheesy to warn about autocrats and attacks on democracy but I happen to think that’s very important. I wasn’t aware that there weren’t actually 4 deaths so my bad. I guess the whole episode is a nothingburger since only one person got actually killed there? Or would you care to respond to any of the other points?
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    I think you misread my comment. The cheesy part isn't to talk about the events, or what trump did. It's the insane hyperbole, and the never ending exaggeration in the words used to describe what happened. A good example of that is the death count: we got to the point where some people were so desperate to turn the whole situation into an iconic, unprecedented historical attack that they counted a cop who died the day after from a stroke in the death count. The "insurrection" narrative does not sound credible without deaths or violence, so the fact that the only death was a rioter killed by cops was a pretty inconvenient plot hole. I assume you are pretty informed and even then, you still had in mind the spurious death count. That goes to show just how much the early hyperbole poisoned the entire discussion around the events and spread disinformation. Another example of disingenuous reality bending is the claim that the rioters were "armed so they came here to overthrow the government". When I think they found one or two person with a firearm. To me it's simple, if the riots were actually that bad, the huge disinformation push and extremely disingenuous rhetoric wouldn't have been needed.
rayiner 4y ago
I'm barely an hour outside of DC and nobody cares about 1/6. Partly because Americans are pretty used to nutjobs storming public buildings, and partly because they're also used to extreme rhetoric from politicians.