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>If you start with the assumption that Chinese government is trying to do good for its citizens Why would anyone do that given treatment of Uyghurs?

bckr 5y ago
It's a mental exercise similar to watching a movie."Willing suspension of disbelief", it's called. Why would you care whether Mr. Big Muscles is winning or not given that he's just pretending to be the hero of the universe? From the Chinese perspective, what their government is doing to the Uyghurs is justified because terrorist separatist muslims. And anyway, from the Chinese perspective, nothing really bad is happening to the Uyghurs anyway, they're just being reformed into good citizens.
- snapcaster 5y ago
  If you're American I'm sure you can relate to the Chinese here. I almost never think about the millions of dead Iraqi people my tax money contributed to
  - alphabetting 5y ago
    The major difference is in America you can criticize what America did to Iraqis at the top of your lungs and work to get different leaders elected. Can't do the same in China without consequences.
    - snapcaster 5y ago
      Is that a major difference? to who? us? makes absolutely no difference to the victims
      - alphabetting 5y ago
        It's true you can't undo the past but it's still a major difference. A population having the ability to speak freely and change elected leaders can effect change and prevent governments from continuing bad policies. Is it really that difficult to see how different that is from a continual status quo?
        snapcaster 5y ago
        In what way do we not have a continuous status quo since world war 2? the US continues invading countries and expanding the empire regardless of protests or people's writings. That's my point, none of it has made a difference
    - scarecrowbob 5y ago
      I can complain all I want and work for as much change as I'd like. Completely without any sort of consequences in the world.
      - alphabetting 5y ago
        can't criticize the govt in effort to elect new leaders in China which was my point.
        scarecrowbob 5y ago
        I presume you understood mine.
analyst74 5y ago
It's a difficult topic, I don't think any country has found a humane way to deal with terrorist organizations. US chose to bomb Afghanistan into the ground, China chose to establish very strict social controls. Both are terribly inhumane to innocent people in those regions, but what are real alternatives?
- 2fast4you 5y ago
  Nobody is talking about terrorist organizations.
  - prewett 5y ago
    Terrorism was the reason given for the initial escalation towards the Uighurs around 2014. There were several domestic terrorism incidents involving a handful of Uighurs around, the most notable (to me) being there was a car-fire/bomb in Tian'anmen Square late 2013 and a knife attack at Kunming Train station. Wikipedia lists a steady stream of domestic terrorism incidents involving Uighurs [0]. It seems like the Chinese government only has one tool in their toolbox--control--so apparently their solution is to eliminate the entire ethnicity, although my prediction is that ultimately that will increase the amount of attacks, because now the entire population has a (concrete) grievance as opposed to a few radicalized ones. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Chronology_of_major_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Chronology_...
    - cntheowaway 5y ago
      It seems in China it’s only considered terrorism if it’s committed by an ethnic minority. Han Chinese have committed far more terrorist attacks yet you don’t see the government putting innocent Han Chinese in concentration camps.

bckr 5y ago

It's a mental exercise similar to watching a movie."Willing suspension of disbelief", it's called. Why would you care whether Mr. Big Muscles is winning or not given that he's just pretending to be the hero of the universe? From the Chinese perspective, what their government is doing to the Uyghurs is justified because terrorist separatist muslims. And anyway, from the Chinese perspective, nothing really bad is happening to the Uyghurs anyway, they're just being reformed into good citizens.

snapcaster 5y ago
If you're American I'm sure you can relate to the Chinese here. I almost never think about the millions of dead Iraqi people my tax money contributed to
- alphabetting 5y ago
  The major difference is in America you can criticize what America did to Iraqis at the top of your lungs and work to get different leaders elected. Can't do the same in China without consequences.
  - snapcaster 5y ago
    Is that a major difference? to who? us? makes absolutely no difference to the victims
    - alphabetting 5y ago
      It's true you can't undo the past but it's still a major difference. A population having the ability to speak freely and change elected leaders can effect change and prevent governments from continuing bad policies. Is it really that difficult to see how different that is from a continual status quo?
      - snapcaster 5y ago
        In what way do we not have a continuous status quo since world war 2? the US continues invading countries and expanding the empire regardless of protests or people's writings. That's my point, none of it has made a difference
  - scarecrowbob 5y ago
    I can complain all I want and work for as much change as I'd like. Completely without any sort of consequences in the world.
    - alphabetting 5y ago
      can't criticize the govt in effort to elect new leaders in China which was my point.
      - scarecrowbob 5y ago
        I presume you understood mine.

analyst74 5y ago

It's a difficult topic, I don't think any country has found a humane way to deal with terrorist organizations. US chose to bomb Afghanistan into the ground, China chose to establish very strict social controls. Both are terribly inhumane to innocent people in those regions, but what are real alternatives?

2fast4you 5y ago
Nobody is talking about terrorist organizations.
- prewett 5y ago
  Terrorism was the reason given for the initial escalation towards the Uighurs around 2014. There were several domestic terrorism incidents involving a handful of Uighurs around, the most notable (to me) being there was a car-fire/bomb in Tian'anmen Square late 2013 and a knife attack at Kunming Train station. Wikipedia lists a steady stream of domestic terrorism incidents involving Uighurs [0]. It seems like the Chinese government only has one tool in their toolbox--control--so apparently their solution is to eliminate the entire ethnicity, although my prediction is that ultimately that will increase the amount of attacks, because now the entire population has a (concrete) grievance as opposed to a few radicalized ones. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Chronology_of_major_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Chronology_...
  - cntheowaway 5y ago
    It seems in China it’s only considered terrorism if it’s committed by an ethnic minority. Han Chinese have committed far more terrorist attacks yet you don’t see the government putting innocent Han Chinese in concentration camps.