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Of course both the privacy policy and TOS are very explicit about this. https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-

by jsnell 5y ago

Of course both the privacy policy and TOS are very explicit about this. https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US > We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. https://workspace.google.com/security/ https://workspace.google.com/security/ > Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes and we do not display ads in Google Workspace https://workspace.google.com/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://workspace.google.com/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html > Notwithstanding any other term of the Agreement, Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. Will you be retracting your claims, or are you planning on moving the goal posts instead?

jqpabc123 5y ago
We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. LOL! Everything from Google must be carefully and legally parsed. No, they don't show ads *from Drive, GMail or Photos* --- these services are ad free. They do show ads *from the web* --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-history-gmail-email-receipts https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-... Regarding your *Workspace Premier* terms --- The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS. This is not a major source of their income.
- jsnell 5y ago
  > No, they don't show ads from Drive, GMail or Photos --- these services are ad free. They do show ads from the web --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. Are you really seriously claiming that there's some kind of ambiguity in "Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes"? If you're going to argue that "advertising purposes" wouldn't cover using the data for ad targeting, they have text explicitly addressing that too: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/ https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in... Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change. https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ Your [Drive] content is safe, private, and never used for ad personalization > The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS True, sorry about that! The current version states: Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. But given that it's the same text, I don't really see how this helps your case. > This is not a major source of their income. Why would that matter? > It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? Pretty obviously the receipt thing was due to it being a really convenient feature for Gmail users. I used it multiple times, and was sad when it was removed due to the outcry. For scanning web links, the even more obvious reason is to scan the links for malware, phishing pages, etc. But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. And so should you: it was after all you who set the bar at whether using the data for ads was disallowed by the privacy policy or TOS. When you get to set the standard of proof, and then refuse to accept that proof when provided, it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here.
  - jqpabc123 5y ago
    But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. When your proof is "I trust Google", it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here. It costs Google time and money to scan your email and extract and store your purchase receipts --- and you think their only motivation was to be nice? Wow! But assuming your interpretation agrees with Google's legal team ... where do you suppose they get all the info needed to profile users and deliver "personalized" ads --- which is how they make 90% of their money?
    - jsnell 5y ago
      Presumably from applications like Search, Chrome, YouTube, Android, Ads, Play Store, Assistant, Translate, News, Maps, Podcasts, Shopping, Google TV, Discover, etc. (That list based on the sources that show up for me https://myactivity.google.com/activitycontrols https://myactivity.google.com/activitycontrols; your mileage will probably vary.) But not from the productivity apps, which is what you were complaining about. > When your proof is "I trust Google", it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here. What do you think the reactions from various regulators around the world would be if these statements turned out to be blatant lies like you suggest? Lying about it would be really, really stupid when the option is to say nothing. If you don't trust the TOS and the privacy policy on such crystal clear statements, why did you suggest that as the proof you wanted to see?
      - jqpabc123 5y ago
        Presumably from applications like Search, Chrome... And presumably Google Docs and Google Sheets --- which are productivity apps. Basically any of their "free" services. What do you think the reactions from various regulators around the world would be if these statements turned out to be blatant lies like you suggest? They're not blatant lies. I showed you above, Google is perfectly OK with you interpreting things in a way that differs from the legally plausible argument they will put forth in a legal setting. Your TOS quotes are from their paid "premier" products. These are not their only productivity apps.

by jsnell 5y ago

jqpabc123 5y ago

We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. LOL! Everything from Google must be carefully and legally parsed. No, they don't show ads *from Drive, GMail or Photos* --- these services are ad free. They do show ads *from the web* --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-history-gmail-email-receipts https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-... Regarding your *Workspace Premier* terms --- The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS. This is not a major source of their income.

jsnell 5y ago
> No, they don't show ads from Drive, GMail or Photos --- these services are ad free. They do show ads from the web --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. Are you really seriously claiming that there's some kind of ambiguity in "Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes"? If you're going to argue that "advertising purposes" wouldn't cover using the data for ad targeting, they have text explicitly addressing that too: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/ https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in... Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change. https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ Your [Drive] content is safe, private, and never used for ad personalization > The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS True, sorry about that! The current version states: Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. But given that it's the same text, I don't really see how this helps your case. > This is not a major source of their income. Why would that matter? > It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? Pretty obviously the receipt thing was due to it being a really convenient feature for Gmail users. I used it multiple times, and was sad when it was removed due to the outcry. For scanning web links, the even more obvious reason is to scan the links for malware, phishing pages, etc. But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. And so should you: it was after all you who set the bar at whether using the data for ads was disallowed by the privacy policy or TOS. When you get to set the standard of proof, and then refuse to accept that proof when provided, it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here.
- jqpabc123 5y ago
  But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. When your proof is "I trust Google", it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here. It costs Google time and money to scan your email and extract and store your purchase receipts --- and you think their only motivation was to be nice? Wow! But assuming your interpretation agrees with Google's legal team ... where do you suppose they get all the info needed to profile users and deliver "personalized" ads --- which is how they make 90% of their money?
  - jsnell 5y ago
    Presumably from applications like Search, Chrome, YouTube, Android, Ads, Play Store, Assistant, Translate, News, Maps, Podcasts, Shopping, Google TV, Discover, etc. (That list based on the sources that show up for me https://myactivity.google.com/activitycontrols https://myactivity.google.com/activitycontrols; your mileage will probably vary.) But not from the productivity apps, which is what you were complaining about. > When your proof is "I trust Google", it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here. What do you think the reactions from various regulators around the world would be if these statements turned out to be blatant lies like you suggest? Lying about it would be really, really stupid when the option is to say nothing. If you don't trust the TOS and the privacy policy on such crystal clear statements, why did you suggest that as the proof you wanted to see?
    - jqpabc123 5y ago
      Presumably from applications like Search, Chrome... And presumably Google Docs and Google Sheets --- which are productivity apps. Basically any of their "free" services. What do you think the reactions from various regulators around the world would be if these statements turned out to be blatant lies like you suggest? They're not blatant lies. I showed you above, Google is perfectly OK with you interpreting things in a way that differs from the legally plausible argument they will put forth in a legal setting. Your TOS quotes are from their paid "premier" products. These are not their only productivity apps.