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Which of Google's productivity apps collect your data for ads? Can you provide some proof?

jqpabc123 4y ago
The fact that Google engages in and facilitates privacy invasion shouldn't need proof at this point. https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/gmail-snooping/ https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/gmail-snooping/ Can you prove or show anything in their terms of service or privacy policy that legally prevents it? Being a profit driven company, the only reasonable assumption is that anything that can be used to increase profits will be used.
- thisiscorrect 4y ago
  The link you included seems to have nothing to do with our claim that Google is using data from their office apps for advertising. It looks like it was about people explicitly granting vetted third-party apps access to the content of their email. What's the connection?
  - jqpabc123 4y ago
    What's the connection? The connection is that they aren't legally prevented from using any data that passes through their servers --- and in some cases allowing others to use it too.
- jsnell 4y ago
  Of course both the privacy policy and TOS are very explicit about this. https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US > We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. https://workspace.google.com/security/ https://workspace.google.com/security/ > Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes and we do not display ads in Google Workspace https://workspace.google.com/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://workspace.google.com/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html > Notwithstanding any other term of the Agreement, Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. Will you be retracting your claims, or are you planning on moving the goal posts instead?
  - jqpabc123 4y ago
    We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. LOL! Everything from Google must be carefully and legally parsed. No, they don't show ads *from Drive, GMail or Photos* --- these services are ad free. They do show ads *from the web* --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-history-gmail-email-receipts https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-... Regarding your *Workspace Premier* terms --- The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS. This is not a major source of their income.
    - jsnell 4y ago
      > No, they don't show ads from Drive, GMail or Photos --- these services are ad free. They do show ads from the web --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. Are you really seriously claiming that there's some kind of ambiguity in "Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes"? If you're going to argue that "advertising purposes" wouldn't cover using the data for ad targeting, they have text explicitly addressing that too: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/ https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in... Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change. https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ Your [Drive] content is safe, private, and never used for ad personalization > The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS True, sorry about that! The current version states: Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. But given that it's the same text, I don't really see how this helps your case. > This is not a major source of their income. Why would that matter? > It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? Pretty obviously the receipt thing was due to it being a really convenient feature for Gmail users. I used it multiple times, and was sad when it was removed due to the outcry. For scanning web links, the even more obvious reason is to scan the links for malware, phishing pages, etc. But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. And so should you: it was after all you who set the bar at whether using the data for ads was disallowed by the privacy policy or TOS. When you get to set the standard of proof, and then refuse to accept that proof when provided, it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here.

The fact that Google engages in and facilitates privacy invasion shouldn't need proof at this point. https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/gmail-snooping/ https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/gmail-snooping/ Can you prove or show anything in their terms of service or privacy policy that legally prevents it? Being a profit driven company, the only reasonable assumption is that anything that can be used to increase profits will be used.

thisiscorrect 4y ago
The link you included seems to have nothing to do with our claim that Google is using data from their office apps for advertising. It looks like it was about people explicitly granting vetted third-party apps access to the content of their email. What's the connection?
- jqpabc123 4y ago
  What's the connection? The connection is that they aren't legally prevented from using any data that passes through their servers --- and in some cases allowing others to use it too.
jsnell 4y ago
Of course both the privacy policy and TOS are very explicit about this. https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US > We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. https://workspace.google.com/security/ https://workspace.google.com/security/ > Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes and we do not display ads in Google Workspace https://workspace.google.com/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html https://workspace.google.com/terms/2013/1/premier_terms.html > Notwithstanding any other term of the Agreement, Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. Will you be retracting your claims, or are you planning on moving the goal posts instead?
- jqpabc123 4y ago
  We don’t show you personalized ads based on your content from Drive, Gmail, or Photos. LOL! Everything from Google must be carefully and legally parsed. No, they don't show ads *from Drive, GMail or Photos* --- these services are ad free. They do show ads *from the web* --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-history-gmail-email-receipts https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629789/google-purchase-... Regarding your *Workspace Premier* terms --- The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS. This is not a major source of their income.
  - jsnell 4y ago
    > No, they don't show ads from Drive, GMail or Photos --- these services are ad free. They do show ads from the web --- based on your personal profile and data collected from multiple sources. Nothing here rules out using data from Drive, Gmail and Photos to profile you. Are you really seriously claiming that there's some kind of ambiguity in "Google does not collect, scan, or use your data in Google Workspace services for advertising purposes"? If you're going to argue that "advertising purposes" wouldn't cover using the data for ad targeting, they have text explicitly addressing that too: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/ https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in... Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change. https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ https://www.google.com/intl/en_fj/drive/ Your [Drive] content is safe, private, and never used for ad personalization > The document you quote is not current but paid services do have different TOS True, sorry about that! The current version states: Google will not process Customer Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. But given that it's the same text, I don't really see how this helps your case. > This is not a major source of their income. Why would that matter? > It's been proven that they scan, collect and save purchase receipts and access/scan web links contained in Gmail documents. Why do you suppose they do this? Pretty obviously the receipt thing was due to it being a really convenient feature for Gmail users. I used it multiple times, and was sad when it was removed due to the outcry. For scanning web links, the even more obvious reason is to scan the links for malware, phishing pages, etc. But I am confident that these things are not for any kind of advertising purposes. And so should you: it was after all you who set the bar at whether using the data for ads was disallowed by the privacy policy or TOS. When you get to set the standard of proof, and then refuse to accept that proof when provided, it doesn't really feel like you're acting in good faith here.